John Wayne Gacy "Pogo the Clown"
Posted on 10/04/2025 4:06:30 PM PDT by Mariner
n the past few weeks, Russian drones and jet fighters have repeatedly penetrated the airspace of Poland, Estonia, and other NATO members. Western officials have reacted harshly to those episodes, shooting down intruding drones and, in the case of President Donald Trump, issuing threats to attack even manned Russian aircraft if such incidents continue.
NATO leaders and their supporters in the news media are responding to the rising tensions by reviving an idea from the earliest days of the Kremlin’s February 2022 full-scale invasion of Ukraine: imposing a no-fly zone over that country. It is an especially provocative and dangerous scheme that carries a serious risk of triggering World War III.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky immediately called for NATO to establish a no-fly zone when Russia invaded in 2022. Even a majority of hardline figures in the West considered the move too dangerous, since it would lead to direct clashes between NATO and Russian aircraft. Support for the initiative was confined only to the most hawkish, reckless individuals and groups, such as then-Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-IL), Liz Cheney’s male alter ego. Even scholars at the Atlantic Council came out against it.
Zelensky has never relented in his quest for a NATO-enforced no-fly zone, however. In June 2024, the president and his advisors pushed a more limited option of creating such a zone over just western Ukraine, relying on air defense systems in neighboring NATO countries to enforce it. Their logic was that using such weaponry to shoot Moscow’s planes out of the sky would be less dangerous than sending up NATO aircraft to intercept their Russian counterparts in Ukrainian airspace. After the surge in drone incursion incidents this September, Zelensky joined his Polish counterpart in again calling for NATO to install a no-fly zone over his country.
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America First.
I don’t have a problem with Europe shooting down any aircraft inside their territory.
Just count US out.
That'll remove the US from NATO and NATO from the US.
Then NATO can do as they please without the US, and we can Make America First Again!
NATO should actually join the Ukraine and take over Russia... Unlike Putin who wasn’t welcomed with open arms when he foolishly invaded the Ukraine, NATO and the Ukraine will likely be welcomed with open arms when they invade and take over Russia.
If you read and understand,
Ukraine created Russia.
It is a civil war between brothers.
Any thinking man knows better than
to get in the middle of a family fight.
An effective no fly zone over Ukraine would include shooting down any and every drone or missile that is fired into it and quickly also include destroying launch ability where they originated from in Russia. These are serious things and we are living in serious times. It would either force an end to the war/invasion or escalate. It takes two to escalate and a desire to do so.
NATO has no jurisdiction over Ukraine. A good reason for us to withdraw from it though.
“NATO should actually join the Ukraine and take over Russia.”
Others have tried and failed.
Provocative and dangerous?? Russia is bombing Hospitals and day care centers! And trying to destroy every building in Ukraine! How could it get any worse??
And now all you Americans and Russian Bots who don’t want NATO to help Ukraine and have the US to stay out of the the war want to try to control NATO from doing what they want to do. If you want to leave Ukraine alone, it would seem more reasonable for you to leave NATO alone! Or otherwise it is hypocrisy...
If Zelensky no longer has the support of the people of Ukraine, perhaps he should be made an offer to step aside for someone more pragmatic about ending the war. We should not be Sabre rattling nukes with the post Soviet Russians. We are more natural friends and allies against ISIS Al Quaeda, Chicoms etc.
Can Putin and Trump find the way to that again? The future is not written yet. Time to correct and move forward positively exists. Just as I would love to see Cuba rebuilt and enriched under capitalism like Vietnam, I would love to be a tourist to Siberia’s beauty and wilderness. We are here on Earth such a short time. Can we make better use of it than killing and maiming each other?
“And now all you Americans and Russian Bots who don’t want NATO to help Ukraine and have the US to stay out of the the war want to try to control NATO from doing what they want to do.”
They can do whatever they want.
But there is no good reason for us to back them up, and we should not.
“ I don’t have a problem with Europe shooting down any aircraft inside their territory.
Just count US out.”
I disagree. I am for any US assets in Europe shooting down any Rooskie aircraft, especially drones, inside NATO territory.
Just don’t tell the Euros how we did it.
I remember hearing how Iraqis will welcome US troops with open arms once Saddam is removed. Happened for a very short while, then it changed. As will always be the case whenever a country is invaded. Never ends well, whether it is Somalia some decades back, or the current Russian experience in Ukraine now (they also thought they’d be welcomed with open arms …they got Javelins to their silly mugs instead).
“And now all you Americans and Russian Bots who don’t want NATO to help Ukraine and have the US to stay out of the the war want to try to control NATO from doing what they want to do. If you want to leave Ukraine alone, it would seem more reasonable for you to leave NATO alone! Or otherwise it is hypocrisy...”
Right you are, warmongering chickenhawk. We have no business there and Ukraine isn’t worth the life of even one of our kids. Let NATO do it, not the USA.
“I remember hearing how Iraqis will welcome US troops with open arms once Saddam is removed. Happened for a very short while, then it changed. As will always be the case whenever a country is invaded. Never ends well, whether it is Somalia some decades back, or the current Russian experience in Ukraine now (they also thought they’d be welcomed with open arms …they got Javelins to their silly mugs instead).”
Right. Every country we tried to rescue, they all ended hating us. Screw them all the nasty ingrates.
A NATO no-fly zone in a non-NATO country?
While they are at it, they should make Russia a NATO no-fly zone, too!
That's not a bad idea since it is free. The problem with using up our missiles to shoot down anything Russia sends across is we will run out of missiles. We will also waste missiles and greatly risk looking powerless (e.g. Russia neutralizes our missiles in some unanticipated ways). Then rather than look powerless the usual warhawks will demand we escalate using offense.
The satellite data is only free until China decides to blow them up.
We have been feeding Ukraine intelligence for targeting since soon after day 1. The new order is targeting information further in Russia and a release from targeting restrictions
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