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Posted on 08/17/2025 12:12:15 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
Kyiv will not give up land that Moscow troops aren’t occupying as part of any peace deal, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said, in response to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demands.
Speaking ahead of his meeting with President Trump on Monday, Zelensky told reporters in Brussels that while Kyiv would be open to “land swaps” in exchange for peace, Putin’s demands to cede the entirety of the Donetsk region — including parts under Ukrainian control — is off the table.
“We need real negotiations, which means they can start where the front line is now,” Zelensky said. “The contact line is the best line for talking.
“Russia is still unsuccessful in the Donetsk region,” he added. “Putin has been unable to take it for 12 years, and the Constitution of Ukraine makes it impossible to give up territory or trade land.”
During his summit with Trump on Friday, Putin demanded that Ukraine withdraw all its forces from Donetsk and the neighboring Luhanks region, both of which lie along the eastern border, as one of the main conditions for ending the war.
While Russia currently controls a large swath of land across both regions, Ukraine has been able to keep Moscow’s forces from claiming the entire regions for more than three years.
Kyiv still holds the key cities of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk, with hundreds of Moscow’s troops killed or injured every week in the quagmire.
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Wow. That’s a massive concession. It has to be this way. The Ukrainian position up to now is untenable if they can’t win the war, and they can’t
Ok, now we’re getting somewhere.
They are already negotiating it.
Whoaaaaa. Get your nomination speech ready, Hitlery.,
But you're still going to jail.
This is a breakthrough kinda.
Russia to “Z”...Oh okay....You win...We’ll make the line “as occupied”...
Zelensky should quit whining and take ALL his land back from Ruzzia.
It’s a start.
And, I heard the Daily Mail claimed it was Putin's body double that meant with Trump in Alaska. I can't believe you didn't post that here.
I had thought he wouldn’t give up anything and fight on until Russia gave it all back. This is a big concession.
“Kyiv will not give up land that Moscow troops aren’t occupying as part of any peace deal”
I’m betting they will.
“Neither side can win this war.”
Then let’s let ‘em fight it out.
I’m so friggin tired of Z, Ukrainians, Ukrainian partisans and every pussy assed “leader” in the EU whining and whining some more.
That is, between blowing BS about all the military actions they are going to take...if the US would just back them up.
The whole lot of them are unworthy of statehood.
I agree with you. Even beyond the degradation of military capability has shown that the people will put up with being treated like whipped dogs for a long, long time, but when the backlash comes it’s a b***h. I can’t help but think a million casualties could result in destabilization of the regime
Russia has had overwhelmingly advantage in missiles and ammo fired. So, it goes to follow, Ukraine's causalities are at least three times higher and no one even thinks Ukraine could have suffered three million causalities.
Mediazona, run by a Russian dissent in collaboration with pro-Ukrainian BBC, can only find a total of 122,510 Russian deaths in the entire war:
https://en.zona.media/article/2025/08/01/casualties_eng-trl
The recent body exchange rate with Ukraine was 1200 to 78 in Russia's favor.
Zelesky’s demands are right back to square one. Trump should just cancel the meeting.
Let’s not forget the founder of the feast. I paraphrase President Biden: “if it was just a minor incursion, we’d have to see.”
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