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1 posted on 08/17/2025 10:16:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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So how is that different from letting Ukraine join NATO outright ? Does the name NATO bother him ?


2 posted on 08/17/2025 10:21:33 AM PDT by libh8er
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I simply don’t believe this. Russia will not accept Ukraine being admitted into NATO largely because of Article 5. So “Article 5-ish” is okay? Something is being intentionally misrepresented here.


4 posted on 08/17/2025 10:24:48 AM PDT by GrumpyOldGuy
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“Putin agreed to let US, Europe offer NATO-style security protections for Ukraine, Trump envoy says”

The Russians like Witkoff, so I expect them to give Witkoff a friendly phone call to CLARIFY things.


8 posted on 08/17/2025 10:32:41 AM PDT by BobL (If you're over 50 and still eat carbs, expect to become diabetic)
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The key word in the comment is "could". That is different than will.

There is no chance Trump is going to offer Article 5 protection to Ukraine because there is no scenario where risk getting us involved in a hot war with Russia.

11 posted on 08/17/2025 10:44:45 AM PDT by Kazan
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And the Euros should bear most of the security responsibility not us.


12 posted on 08/17/2025 10:45:36 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they. control you. )
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Something to think about.

Putin may be open to this “NATO style” security agreement IF IF IF Trump has said this arrangement we will not put US troops on the ground in the Ukraine.

In other words, Putin will “honor” the agreement as long as Trump in office.

When Trump leaves office, Putin will do whatever he wants and put the future POTUS in a bind.

Since there are NO American troops on the ground, does the new guy or gal put troops on the ground.

Personally, I have no problem with that arrangement.

Peace in the middle of Europe is very temporal and very fragile.


13 posted on 08/17/2025 10:46:21 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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Friend with benefits?


16 posted on 08/17/2025 11:00:36 AM PDT by Raycpa
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I’m pretty sure there is an exclusion of moving missiles within a 5 minute flight time to Moscow in this proposal. Defense, sure... Offense, no


19 posted on 08/17/2025 12:19:25 PM PDT by DocRock
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????


23 posted on 08/17/2025 1:31:07 PM PDT by rrrod (6)
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This is idiotic.

US should not provid security guarantees to any country, least of all the Ukraine.

If Europe wants to provide guarantees it should do so.


26 posted on 08/17/2025 3:31:00 PM PDT by KingofZion
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Putin will agree to any so-called protection then turn around and break the agreement. Treaties are made and broken with impunity. It’s not going to cost Putin anything to agree to these protections. Yet, he wants more Ukraine land. Not a good compromise.


27 posted on 08/17/2025 3:35:13 PM PDT by gildafarrell (e)
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