Posted on 07/17/2025 10:28:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
I was responding to your pictures, by which you appeared to condemn even legal immigration; not to modern economics.
But I’ve known Vietnamese boat people who came and did well; and legal Hispanics who do very well for themselves in the trades.
At least 50 million ILLEGAL immigrants here now with a supposed population of 330 million.
Best you learn a bit about the archaeology of this continent.
Well Ansel12, you’ve been laying low around here on FR which I find to be a good thing. My listing of you from way back reads, “attack dog, attacks and accuses, doesn’t listen, has no answers, offers no solutions, attacks those that do, waste of time.”
If you reply, I won’t be answering you back.
See ya.
JFK wasn’t responsible for the immigration act of ‘65 you idiot. LBJ was President then. Your anti-Catholic bias is evident. Some of the same groups pushing for non white immigration back then are the same group pushing for it today.
Key Jewish Advocates for the Immigration Act of 1965
Prominent Figures
Herbert Lehman: A Jewish governor of New York, Lehman was instrumental in pushing for the legislation. He believed the previous quota system did not reflect American values and worked tirelessly to support the bill.
Max Kohler: A lawyer who played a significant role in shaping immigration law, Kohler advocated for the rights of immigrants and worked under the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS) at Ellis Island.
Leonard Farbstein: A Jewish congressman from New York, Farbstein passionately supported the act, emphasizing its importance for refugees, particularly those who had suffered during the Holocaust.
Jewish Organizations’ Support
Major Jewish groups, including the American Jewish Congress and the United Synagogue of America, united to support the act. They viewed it as a necessary step to dismantle the discriminatory quota system established in 1924.
The Jewish community’s historical experience with exclusionary immigration policies motivated their advocacy for more inclusive laws, reflecting a commitment to humanitarian values.
Well the Vandals came and ended all that.
No one knows how many. Deport them all!
I’m with ya!
We know there were bands of stone age peoples, even settlements (of stone age people) that surfaced and disappeared, a few successful for long periods in this vast part of the world, some of those bands are still living in the jungles of the Americas and they still are not countries.
“even legal immigration”
A whitewashing by “legalization” will not overcome the problem that technology and legal developments are making it harder for people to pay their own way in the USA.
The immigration problem today is far more difficult than finding a job in a factory and saving up the money to rent a tenement apartment.
A circuit board factory in the USA was scheduled to be closed. The workers asked management if they could save their jobs by making concessions. They were told that even if they worked for free, that their jobs were uneconomic.
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-—IF I WORKED SOMEWHERE FOR OVER 7 YEARS & EMBEZZLED THOUSANDS & NEVER GOT CAUGHT-—
WHEN THEY CAUGHT ME, I SHOULD BE GIVEN “AMNESTY”?????
Actually idiot, JFK was the one responsible for the bill that was signed after his death.
“However, if there is one man who can take the most credit for the 1965 act, it is John F. Kennedy. Kennedy seems to have inherited the resentment his father Joseph felt as an outsider in Boston’s WASP aristocracy. He voted against the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, and supported various refugee acts throughout the 1950s.
In 1958 he wrote a book, A Nation of Immigrants, which attacked the quota system as illogical and without purpose, and the book served as Kennedy’s blueprint for immigration reform after he became president in 1960.
In the summer of 1963, Kennedy sent Congress a proposal calling for the elimination of the national origins quota system. He wanted immigrants admitted on the basis of family reunification and needed skills, without regard to national origin.
After his assassination in November, his brother Robert took up the cause of immigration reform, calling it JFK’s legacy. In the forward to a revised edition of A Nation of Immigrants, issued in 1964 to gain support for the new law, he wrote, “I know of no cause which President Kennedy championed more warmly than the improvement of our immigration policies.” Sold as a memorial to JFK, there was very little opposition to what became known as the Immigration Act of 1965.”
“If the Federal government were to offer $20K to each illegal for someone to self-deport within 60 days, such a move would greatly increase self-deportation.”
[from a few months ago]
The first thing to do is to knock the illegals off welfare.
The second thing to do is to make sure they can’t drive.
The third thing to do is to place all the income they don’t need to survive in a personal return home fund so they can be bribed to return home with their own money.
Their return home fund might be randomly raided for federal finances after ten years.
Jose Invader:
We helped ourselves to $6,000 of your money last week as you were not drawing upon it in your homeland or other country.
Social Security Administration
“””””JFK wasn’t responsible for the immigration act of ‘65 you idiot. LBJ was President then.”””””
This is the democrat party platform that JFK ran on in 1960.
Immigration:
We shall adjust our immigration, nationality and refugee policies to ELIMINATE DISCRIMINATION AND TO ENABLE MEMBERS OF SCATTERED FAMILIES ABROAD TO BE UNITED WITH RELATIVES ALREADY IN OUR MIDST.
THE NATIONAL-ORIGINS QUOTA SYSTEM OF LIMITING IMMIGRATION CONTRADICTS THE FOUNDING PRINCIPLES OF THIS NATION. It is inconsistent with our belief in the rights of man. This system was instituted after world war I AS A POLICY OF DELIBERATE DISCRIMINATION BY A REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION AND CONGRESS.
The revision of immigration and nationality laws we seek will implement our belief that enlightened immigration, naturalization and refugee policies and humane administration of them are important aspects of our foreign policy.
These laws will bring greater skills to our land, reunite families, permit the United States to meet its fair share of world programs of rescue and rehabilitation, and take advantage of immigration as an important factor in the growth of the American economy.
In this World Refugee Year it is our hope to achieve admission of our fair share of refugees. We will institute policies to alleviate suffering among the homeless wherever we are able to extend our aid.
We must remove the distinctions between native-born and naturalized citizens to assure full protection of our laws to all. There is no place in the United States for “second-class citizenship.”
The protections provided by due process, right of appeal, and statutes of limitation, can be extended to non-citizens without hampering the security of our nation.
We commend the Democratic Congress for the initial steps that have recently been taken toward liberalizing changes in immigration law. However, this should not be a piecemeal project and we are confident that a Democratic President in cooperation with Democratic Congresses will again implant a humanitarian and liberal spirit in our nation’s immigration and citizenship policies.
They were well beyond "stone age" but not up to "bronze age," that is if you insist upon looking at the data through a biased lens. Consider the Maya, Inca, or Aztecs.
They were material limited. They were neither unsophisticated nor stupid. Hell, if you care about the Constitution, consider the influence upon it derived from the Iroquois. They died largely due to causes unknown to either them or to Europeans. Nevertheless, they died in large numbers to imported diseases. That is how things turned out.
My point in telling you this despite your thick skull is that the fact that people have shaped these landscapes for 15,000 years flies in the face of the environmentalist BS about protecting "Nature," which is in fact an immensely destructive idea to what is left of pre-colonial ecology. To redress the damage they have done will take PEOPLE on the landscapes. It's work that needs to be done best managed by a system of property rights and the sanctity of contracts to manage competing risks, best applied in a free market.
Your bogus vision of "unspoiled wilderness" is destructive to those ends.
“He sent the legislation to Congress on July 17. However, his assassination in November of that year deferred its passage until 1965.”
WIKI
The bill is based on the draft bill sent to the Congress by President John F. Kennedy, who opposed the immigration formulas, in 1963, and was introduced by Senator Philip Hart and Congressman Emanuel Celler. However, its passage was stalled due to opposition from conservative Congressmen.
Prior to the Act, the U.S. was 85% White, with Black people (most of whom were descendants of slaves) making up 11%, while Latinos made up less than 4%.
In 1958, Senator John F. Kennedy or his team penned a pamphlet titled A Nation of Immigrants, opposing the immigration quotas set forth in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, after being convinced to do so by the Anti-Defamation League. The content of the pamphlet was based on the ideas of the historian Oscar Handlin and an outline by his student Arthur Mann, with Kennedy’s version de-emphasizing the difficulties in assimilation of immigrants elucidated by Handlin and Mann, and promoting a more idealistic view. Immigration reform was promoted by Kennedy during his 1960 presidential campaign, with support from his brothers Robert F. Kennedy and Ted Kennedy.
Following Kennedy’s civil rights address in June 1963, he had Robert, who was the United States Attorney General, prepare a draft bill, which was authored by Adam Walinsky, and sent it to the Congress on July 23, 1963. The bill was introduced in the House of Representatives by Emanuel Celler, who had advocated for such an immigration reform since the 1920s, and by Philip Hart in the Senate. Ted was assigned to ensure the passage of the bill through the Congress.
Senator Ted Kennedy, speaking of the effects of the Act, said, “our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. ... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset.
Sen. Hiram Fong (R-HI) answered questions concerning the possible change in the United States’ cultural pattern by an influx of Asians:
Asians represent six-tenths of 1 percent of the population of the United States ... with respect to Japan, we estimate that there will be a total for the first 5 years of some 5,391 ... the people from that part of the world will never reach 1 percent of the population ... Our cultural pattern will never be changed as far as America is concerned.
Democratic Rep. Michael A. Feighan (OH-20), along with some other Democrats, insisted that “family unification” should take priority over “employability”, on the premise that such a weighting would maintain the existing ethnic profile of the country. That change in policy instead resulted in chain migration dominating the subsequent patterns of immigration to the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965
“”””Hell, if you care about the Constitution, consider the influence upon it derived from the Iroquois.””””
Good Lord, you just swallow everything the left throws at you.
“after being convinced to do so by the Anti-Defamation League.”
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I don’t doubt that his scumbag little brother Ted also had a role in that too.
Indigenous Population of the USA Before European Arrival
Overview
Estimating the number of Indigenous people living in what is now the United States before European contact is complex, with scholarly estimates varying widely. This is due to limited written records, archaeological challenges, and differing methodologies.
Leading Scholarly Estimates
Early low estimates: Between 900,000 and 1.1 million for the area north of the Rio Grande, based on early 20th-century research.
Mid-20th-century reassessments: Estimates increased, ranging from 2 million to over 18 million.
Modern scholarly consensus:
Most current estimates for the area covering the present-day USA fall between 2 and 6 million Indigenous people prior to contact with Europeans, often leaning toward the lower end of that range.
Some recent studies and broader definitions (including Canada) propose figures up to 10 or even 20 million, but these are less widely accepted for the present-day U.S. alone.
For North America as a whole (including Canada), William Denevan’s widely cited “consensus” estimate is about 3.8 million.
Maximum estimates: The most liberal estimates—rarely used today—reach as high as 18 million north of the Rio Grande.
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