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What if Ukraine falls? This is no longer a hypothetical question – and it must be answered urgently
The Guardian ^ | Sun 13 Jul 2025 | Simon Tisdall

Posted on 07/13/2025 8:54:23 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

For 40 cruel and bloody months, Ukraine has fought the Russian invader. Since February 2022, when Moscow’s full-scale, countrywide onslaught began, its people have faced relentless, devastating attacks. Tens of thousands have been killed or wounded, millions have lost their homes. Ukraine’s industries, shops, schools, hospitals and power stations burn, its fertile farmlands are laid waste. Its children are orphaned, traumatised or abducted. Despite repeated appeals, the world has failed to stop the carnage. And yet Ukraine, outnumbered and outgunned, has continued to fight back.

Ukrainian heroism amid horror has become so familiar, it’s almost taken for granted. But as Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, escalates the war, raining nightly terror on Kyiv and other cities using record waves of armed drones, as US support and peace efforts falter, and as Ukraine’s overstretched frontline soldiers face exhaustion, such complacency looks increasingly misplaced. A no longer hypothetical question becomes ever more real and urgent: what if Ukraine falls?

Ukrainian heroism amid horror has become so familiar, it’s almost taken for granted. But as Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, escalates the war, raining nightly terror on Kyiv and other cities using record waves of armed drones, as US support and peace efforts falter, and as Ukraine’s overstretched frontline soldiers face exhaustion, such complacency looks increasingly misplaced. A no longer hypothetical question becomes ever more real and urgent: what if Ukraine falls?

Answer: Ukraine’s collapse, if it happens, would amount to an epic western strategic failure matching or exceeding the Afghanistan and Iraq calamities. The negative ramifications for Europe, Britain, the transatlantic alliance and international law are truly daunting. That thought alone should concentrate minds.

It has been evident since the dying days of 2023, when its counteroffensive stalled, that Ukraine is not winning.

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Ukraine
KEYWORDS: concerntrolling; killkillkillforpeace; mic; proxywar; putinthewarpig; ridiculous; russiansuicide; russiantrollfarm; simontisdall; thegrauniad; theguardian; theguardianlol; tothelastukrainian; vladtheimploder; welfarewar
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1 posted on 07/13/2025 8:54:23 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
Trump, the US’s surrender monkey, remains Kyiv’s biggest diplomatic headache.

Its weird how the Labour/Leftist/Socialist Guardian Newspaper is more hawkish and neocon than almost any US politicians

2 posted on 07/13/2025 9:00:20 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: All
It will bring on the Age of Aquarius, the age of Aquarius, peace will guide our planet and love will steer the starts.
3 posted on 07/13/2025 9:00:26 PM PDT by BipolarBob (The Weather Bureau announced they will shut down the entire Sharknado early warning system and staff)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I dunno, Yurp! What if Yurp falls to the “migrant” scourge? Maybe you better spill some ink — better yet spend some blood and treasure — answering THAT question.

And if you want to prop up Zzzzzellinskyyy and Ukie corruption, spend your own money and risk your own lives on the project.


4 posted on 07/13/2025 9:01:22 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Hope, as a righteous product of properly aligned Faith, IS in fact a strategy.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ah…. good old MIDNIGHT WAR MONGERING.


5 posted on 07/13/2025 9:01:54 PM PDT by House Atreides (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVFlcTy0DcI’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX>)
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To: Nervous Tick

I think someone should ask what the Bidens role is in this.

That’s been memory holed as well


6 posted on 07/13/2025 9:07:24 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: MinorityRepublican

What a load of crap


7 posted on 07/13/2025 9:08:01 PM PDT by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: MinorityRepublican

I can’t see it impacting me very much. Except I would enjoy seeing a nazi government fail.


8 posted on 07/13/2025 9:10:10 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI….There’s really not much to)
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To: PGR88

Europe’s Vietnam....is what happens...
And NATO will fight tooth and nail to beat Russia back to its 90’s borders...

Ukraine leadership will be replaced by deal makers


9 posted on 07/13/2025 9:10:42 PM PDT by pacificus
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To: MinorityRepublican
It is Z-Man that falls.

He should not be allowed to “retire/exile” with our (US) $billions.

10 posted on 07/13/2025 9:15:50 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: pacificus

“And NATO will fight tooth and nail to beat Russia back to its 90’s borders...”

NATO is going to attack Russia directly, push them back, and drive them out of the Donbass and Crimea? Ok.... sure.
Who exactly? The Germans? The Brits? The Danes?


11 posted on 07/13/2025 9:16:19 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI….There’s really not much to)
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To: PGR88

You make a good point.

The irony is that the Telegraph is just as hawkish.

On most things the two papers are polar opposites.

Why so much hate for Russia?

Maybe it is because Putin doesn’t have an open door policy for Islamic migrants and the Sharia Law that they bring with them.


12 posted on 07/13/2025 9:16:29 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: PGR88

WIKI

“The Charge of the Light Brigade” is an 1854 narrative poem by Alfred, Lord Tennyson about the cavalry charge of the same name at the Battle of Balaclava during the Crimean War. He wrote the original version on 2 December 1854, and it was published on 9 December 1854 in The Examiner. He was the Poet Laureate of the United Kingdom at the time.

The poem was written after the Light Cavalry Brigade suffered great casualties in the Battle of Balaclava. Tennyson wrote the poem based on two articles published in The Times: the first, published on 13 November 1854, contained the sentence “The British soldier will do his duty, even to certain death, and is not paralyzed by the feeling that he is the victim of some hideous blunder”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Charge_of_the_Light_Brigade_(poem)

WIKI

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismay’d?
Not tho’ the soldier knew
Some one had blunder’d:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley’d and thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash’d all their sabers bare,
Flash’d as they turn’d in air
Sab’ring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wonder’d:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro’ the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel’d from the saber-stroke
Shatter’d and sunder’d.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered:
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of death
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them—
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
Oh, the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade—
Noble six hundred!

Alfred Tennyson.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Poems_That_Every_Child_Should_Know/The_Charge_of_the_Light_Brigade


13 posted on 07/13/2025 9:18:03 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Rheinmetall will hold a 60% stake in the joint venture, and the facilities will be capable of producing up to 10,000 missiles per year. Production is expected to begin between 2026 and 2027.”

“Special emphasis will be placed on long-range missiles”

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/05/19/europe-plans-to-produce-10000-missiles-annually-including-only-ones-that-can-stop-russias-ballistic-terror-in-ukraine/?swcfpc=1


14 posted on 07/13/2025 9:21:06 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: MinorityRepublican

“Ukraine now produces more artillery systems than all NATO countries combined”

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/04/17/expert-without-us-supplies-ukraines-patriot-systems-will-become-piles-of-metal-unable-to-stop-russian-ballistic-missiles/?swcfpc=1


15 posted on 07/13/2025 9:22:07 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Deaf Smith

“..If he dies, he dies!”


16 posted on 07/13/2025 9:24:47 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: MinorityRepublican

from Google using the term ‘ukrainian arms production’:

The Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com › world
May 18, 2025 — The value of weapons Ukraine’s defense industry can make has ballooned from $1 billion in 2022 to $35 billion over three years of war.


17 posted on 07/13/2025 9:24:49 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: DesertRhino

Fear the Danish army.


18 posted on 07/13/2025 9:29:04 PM PDT by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: MinorityRepublican

Would save us a ton of money and equipment...a win-win...


19 posted on 07/13/2025 9:29:42 PM PDT by dpetty121263
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To: MinorityRepublican

Maybe we could finally stop paying the pensions of Ukrainian civil servants.


20 posted on 07/13/2025 9:34:20 PM PDT by KittyKares
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