Posted on 07/12/2025 5:16:46 AM PDT by jerod
Fuel to the engines of the Air India plane involved in a deadly crash was cut off moments after take-off, a preliminary investigation report has found.
In recovered cockpit voice recordings, the report said one of the pilots can be heard asking "why did you cut off?" - to which the other pilot replied he "did not do so".
The London-bound Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner crashed less than a minute after taking off on 12 June from Ahmedabad airport in western India, killing 260 people, most of them passengers. One British national miraculously survived the crash.
The investigation led by India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) is expected to produce a more detailed report in 12 months...
(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...
Sure doesn’t sound like it - too improbable
AI Overview (FWIW)
The pilots killed in the recent Air India crash were Captain Sumeet Sabharwal and First Officer Clive Kunder. Captain Sabharwal was 56 years old and had 15,638 hours of flying experience, according to the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. First Officer Kunder was 32 years old and had 3,403 hours of experience.
Taqiyya?
(Egypt Air 990)
It seems the relief captain did that not SJS - as I recall he had exposed himself in a hotel in NYC
If so many may not want to admit
The airline will be quickly out of business
It's even more basic than that. There is no way the switches could be configured wrong and keep the engines running.
No idea yet if there was a jumpseater, but it would be easy for the jumpseater to turn those switches off.
The switches would have to be pulled outward before the are moved down to the cutoff position. The aircraft switches I use at work are very lightly sprung, so the friction from my fingertips can pull them outward, but these look like much heftier switches than I use.
What I had meant was as they were rolling perhaps just before or just after VR - sounds like the fuel flow cut is immediate which I now understand - I had been thinking pumps with the possibility of fuel in the lines
Now all that has been cleared up - 9 seconds between OFF and back ON if I read that correctly - wow
One would be in disbelief for 2-3 seconds I’d guess
Sure sounding like there was no way this was an accident
“Now all that has been cleared up - 9 seconds between OFF and back ON if I read that correctly - wow. One would be in disbelief for 2-3 seconds I’d guess.”
9 seconds makes sense to me as it takes time for a person to process what just happened and there has to at least be the thought that the cutoff was for some reason, unless the pilot was into Jihad (which seems unlikely here).
My point exactly. I am an old Navy guy, who was in a C-118 transport squadron. We had a manual on how to ditch one of these turkeys at sea, and my Captain told me not a chance. (of course Sully of New York proved everyone wrong, but what a miracle).
[as it takes time for a person to process what just happened]
I would think a few seconds but pilots react instinctively and quickly - because they have to
I am also no wondering if somebody was in the jump seat (as 737 said) - with pilots focused on flying they move forward and do the deed
The last thing you’d expect on takeoff is for someone to cut the fuel flow - you’d be monitoring instruments, busy flying - a jumpseater makes sense if the other pilot told the truth about not cutting them off
Good comments and I DO appreciate the differences. Still, the pilot monitoring might have been very fatigued and anticipated the flap call, etc. and had a “brain fart”. Pure speculation.
If the one pilot hadn’t said he didn’t change the switches I’d be near 100% of murder/suicide.
There are quotes of the switches set to OFF simultaneously.
That seems the most important data we have, if in fact that quote is accurate.
If they mean within a millisecond of each other, then something other than human action is involved.
A jumpseater could do both at exactly the same time.
A jumpseater could do both at exactly the same time.
I’m with you on the jump seat, possibly a jihadist there. Still, no one can be trained to near-instantly react correctly to something that is never expected, otherwise 75% of road accidents wouldn’t happen.
it would take 2 hands to shut those off simultaneously.
Yep, a jumpseater, or even the pilot (since the first officer was flying), could do both simultaneously.
“There are quotes of the switches set to OFF simultaneously.
That seems the most important data we have, if in fact that quote is accurate.”
The most accurate info is the official report and the FDR sequence.
They were NOT set to off simultaneously.
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