Posted on 07/10/2025 4:09:48 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
What will happen to Ukraine if Russia wins? Their lives improve?
Maybe it was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Javelin?ysclid=mcy6r2zhue88578190 that helped out a little bit?
I defy you to find my post saying Russia would roll over Ukraine in few days. Heck Ukraine is bigger than Texas. It took me 2 full days of driving to cross Texas at top speed on interstate 10.
Zeepers like you claimed Russia is out of weapons and broken. I keep up with news, and Russian attacks are intensifying, not diminishing.
No,
Like after Crimea, only this time economic recovery will be slower.
Far more damage to the cities and infrastructure, far more people fled never to return, far more dead and invalids (the cripples will be a generational economic drain), less enthusiasm by investors/corporations to put their money in Ukraine.
Ukraine will live on, only a bit smaller.
Dude, I never posted on these threads till a few months ago.
Why, do you have relatives over there?
I certainly don't have anyone. I don't even known anyone that is there, though my grandfather who was high up in the State Dept. did go over there in his capacity at the State Dept. when it was still the U.S.S.R.
I did know a few that moved to this country when the U.S.S.R. collapsed due to debt.
When I was working at G.E.I.C.O. as a consultant, they had hired a lot of Russians, and others from satellite nations of the former U.S.S.R. M.C.I. also had some, though they were more into the Indians from India.
My issue with the Soviet Union, like China, had little to do with the people, and everything to do with the government. But the Soviet Union disappeared down the dustbin of history, and what replaced it was a far different regime than was the U.S.S.R.
“But the Soviet Union disappeared down the dustbin of history, and what replaced it was a far different regime than was the U.S.S.R.”
What has replaced it is an evil corrupt dictator and his oligarch buddies intending to scam all the riches from the working class through any means necessary.
Well ssid
Russia gets the guns vs. butter concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_versus_butter_model
Russia is at 7.1% GDP for war.
Ukraine is at 34% for war!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures
Russia doesn’t even have a true compulsory service for this war. Those that are drafted aren’t set to Ukraine (as a rule - there are some exceptions).
Russia is relying mostly on paying out bonuses (contracts), calling up reserves, OR using troops from other nations.
Meanwhile, Ukraine gives us humorous TCC videos of young men trying to run for their lives:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp26UsVbwtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhC8WREVKM
But keep talking.
If you just believe in it enough, say it enough, it’ll make it true.
Russia’s war economy is driving short-term growth at the cost of long-term viability. The model depends on ever-increasing state spending, primarily directed at defence, while civilian needs and productive sectors of the economy are neglected. Inflation is high, investment is constrained and essential and productive services such as education, social security and healthcare are eroding. The government’s fiscal manoeuvring – cutting social transfers, drawing from reserves and borrowing domestically – can delay, but not resolve, these problems.
This approach may produce the illusion of economic stability, but it is built on a narrow and brittle foundation. Without a pivot away from militarised spending and towards structural reform, innovation and balanced development, Russia’s economic trajectory remains unsustainable.
https://www.visionofhumanity.org/russias-war-economy-growth-built-on-unsustainable-foundations/
But you still avoid the truth, that this conflict was not only unnecessary, it was ill-advised.
It was not beneficial for anyone involved was it? But apparently, you still do not see that reality, which actually doesn't surprise me in the least. I bet there are many mothers, fathers, brothers & sisters that wish it had never taken place. The only ones really happy in Ukraine, are the Nazis that you probably still refuse to admit are there in significant numbers. Yes, Russia probably has some too, but I doubt they are very vocal there, unlike Ukraine's Nazi supporters who proudly march there in Ukraine.
Everytime I use wiki I get bombed by the the pro-Ruusians!
Dudes that use TASS and RT.
Go figure.
“The only ones really happy in Ukraine, are the Nazis that you probably still refuse to admit are there in significant numbers. “
Q: Why does Putin think it makes any sense to call Ukrainian leaders Nazis, especially when President Zelensky is Jewish?
Dr. Fishman: “This propaganda is an attempt to delegitimize Ukraine in the eyes of the Russian public, which considers its war against Nazi Germany its greatest moment, and in eyes of the Western publics who may not know much about Ukraine except that it’s next to Russia.”
Q: But why call them Nazis, aside from that being the worst accusation one can make?
“This propaganda isn’t new. Russia has for years highlighted the activity of a marginal group of Ukrainian ultra-nationalists as a way of trying to stigmatize all of Ukraine. Yes, some members of these ultra-nationalist groups have used Nazi insignia, made Hitler salutes, and used antisemitic rhetoric, but they are politically insignificant and in no way representative of Ukraine. The political parties which the ultra-nationalists support received just over 2 percent of the vote in the 2019 elections. Ukraine is a flawed democracy, but unquestionably a democracy, and in no way a Nazi regime.”
https://www.adl.org/resources/article/why-putin-calling-ukrainian-government-bunch-nazis
“Yes, Russia probably has some too, but I doubt they are very vocal there, unlike Ukraine’s Nazi supporters who proudly march there in Ukraine.”
The roots of neo-Nazism in Putin’s Russia
The origins of this relationship date to the late 1990s, when Russia was shaken by a wave of racist violence committed by neo-Nazi skinhead gangs. After Putin’s accession to the presidency in 2000, his regime exploited this development in two ways.
First, it used the neo-Nazi threat to justify the adoption of anti-extremism legislation, a longstanding demand of some Russian liberals. Ultimately, this legislation would be used to prosecute Russian democrats.
Second, the Kremlin launched “managed nationalism”, an attempt to co-opt and mobilise radical nationalist militants, including neo-Nazis, as a counterweight to an emerging anti-Putin coalition of democrats and leftist radicals.
Moving Together, a pro-Putin youth organisation notorious for its campaign against postmodernist literature, made the first move by reaching out to OB88, the most powerful skinhead gang in Russia.
https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis
Yeah, cool story.,
I want the Russians back in Russia. Or I want them dead. If they are innocent kids, that is on the government. I have to wonder why Russian parents put up with the slaughter of their children. They must be stupid. Which is the same as being called, “Russian.”
With the beginning of the Russo-Ukrainian War, Russian neo-Nazis have achieved international attention for their militant support of Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine. Certain groups, such as the Russian Imperial Movement, have been accused of training white supremacists and neo-Nazis from other countries in Europe. The links between these groups and the Russian government, comprising a policy known as managed nationalism, have become particularly noteworthy since the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine after Russian President Vladimir Putin claimed to be pursuing the “denazification” of Ukraine.[1]
Wiki
Everyone here knows that, no matter how evil Russia’s conquering of Ukraine is, they will keep pounding until they have what Putin wants.
The question is how painful to Russia do we want to make it?
I’m split between making them hurt bad and saying OK. Dead Ukrainians vs degrading Russian conventional forces.
What’s the moral choice?
“Everyone here knows that, no matter how evil Russia’s conquering of Ukraine is, they will keep pounding until they have what Putin wants.”
Putin wants power. He wants to stay in power by reestablishing the Russian Empire. He does not want to stop with Ukraine. Unfortunately for him, this war has dragged on too long and he is running out of other people’s money.
Putin wants riches. He and his oligarch buddies are scamming the economy into destruction. With revenues dropping the oligarchs are growing restless.
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