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As Trump Wavers, Europe Is More Optimistic About Defending Ukraine
The New York Times ^ | June 4, 2025 | Steven Erlanger

Posted on 06/07/2025 12:06:23 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

European nations are increasingly optimistic that they can support Ukraine financially and militarily against Russia even if President Trump decides to wash his hands of the conflict, as he often threatens, and instead focuses on normalizing relations with Moscow.

But even with their best efforts, the Europeans cannot replace all of what the United States provides Ukraine — most important, real-time intelligence about Russian forces, incoming missiles and how and where to target the enemy. Ukraine’s ability to fight effectively relies largely on that American intelligence.

“The Ukrainians don’t want this to be cut off no matter what,” said Camille Grand, a former NATO assistant secretary general. American intelligence is so sophisticated that it tells the Ukrainian military where Russian brigade headquarters are, where to target missiles and where to aim air defenses against incoming missiles, he said.

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1 posted on 06/07/2025 12:06:23 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wishful thinking.


2 posted on 06/07/2025 12:08:27 PM PDT by redfreedom (Happiness is shopping at Walmart and not hearing Spanish once!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

One word: riiiight!


3 posted on 06/07/2025 12:08:59 PM PDT by BB62
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To: MinorityRepublican

Trump never ‘wavered’.

His intervention was rejected by both sides.


4 posted on 06/07/2025 12:08:59 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: MinorityRepublican

The EU “Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia” crowd need something to deflect attention from their mounting self-inflicted economic problems.


5 posted on 06/07/2025 12:12:29 PM PDT by House Atreides (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVFlcTy0DcI’m now ULTRA-MAGA-PRO-MAX)
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Trump continues to support Ukraine although we decided to cut off the satellites in early March because Zelensky was not interested in pursuing peace.

Well, he has changed his mind. So we've resumed sharing satellite imagery afterwards.

6 posted on 06/07/2025 12:13:33 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: SpaceBar

Admitting that we are co-belligerents. Did anyone ask if we wanted to be co-belligerents? Does anyone really want war with russia? If so, beg your elected representatives to declare war. If you’re in a hurry .you can volunteer for ukr foreign legion, go show those russkies whats what!


7 posted on 06/07/2025 12:14:36 PM PDT by ozarker
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To: MinorityRepublican

Hey, if the Euros have the Russian Front covered, good for them. Long as it’s not our money and men.


8 posted on 06/07/2025 12:19:16 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not our circus. not our clowns.


9 posted on 06/07/2025 12:21:32 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: MinorityRepublican

Let them be optimistic.....and let them pay for continuing this war if they want it so much.


10 posted on 06/07/2025 12:28:24 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: MinorityRepublican

Fine. That’s the way it should be.


11 posted on 06/07/2025 12:35:00 PM PDT by Texas Eagle ("Throw me to the wolves and I'll return leading the pack"- Donald J. Trump)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Since 2014 it is the Establishment’s war. Part of establishing the new world order.


12 posted on 06/07/2025 12:44:19 PM PDT by alternatives?
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To: MinorityRepublican

Whistling past the graveyard.


13 posted on 06/07/2025 12:46:33 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Democrats are the Party of anger, hate and violence.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

You win the “Most Funny Thread Title of the Day” award.


14 posted on 06/07/2025 12:50:13 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (The road is a dangerous place man, you can die out here...or worse. -Johnny Paycheck, 1980, Reno, NV)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Efff Ukraine. Efff Russia too.


15 posted on 06/07/2025 1:02:46 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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Russia is going to get messed up, Ukraine is going to get messed up and this may be the beginning of WWIII. China may join in soon perhaps by attacking somewhere in Asia or with another pandemic which will be a clear sign of the formation of an evil axis and a two-front war scenario. Only problem is this time, unlike WWII, our country is chock-full of communist traitors.


16 posted on 06/07/2025 1:08:08 PM PDT by McCarthysGhost
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To: MinorityRepublican

They don’t have their own intelligence agencies?


17 posted on 06/07/2025 1:10:35 PM PDT by roving
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As Trump Wavers, Europe Is More Optimistic About Defending Ukraine
Have at it. It's about time.
18 posted on 06/07/2025 1:15:41 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: MinorityRepublican

Saw New York Times and stopped there.


19 posted on 06/07/2025 1:16:37 PM PDT by daler
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To: MinorityRepublican

Trump wavers?? Sure NY Slimes.


20 posted on 06/07/2025 1:16:50 PM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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