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Ray Dalio says the risk to U.S. Treasurys is even greater than what Moody’s is saying
CNBC ^ | May 19 2025 | Spencer Kimball

Posted on 05/20/2025 10:19:00 AM PDT by george76

Bridgewater founder Ray Dalio said Moody’s downgrade of the U.S. credit rating does not take into account the risk of the federal government printing money to pay its debt.

Bond holders would suffer losses due to the depreciating value of the money they are getting paid, Dalio said.

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Bridgewater Associates founder and billionaire Ray Dalio warned Monday that Moody’s downgrade of the U.S. sovereign credit rating understates the threat to U.S. Treasurys, saying the credit agency isn’t taking into account the risk of the federal government simply printing money to pay its debt.

“You should know that credit ratings understate credit risks because they only rate the risk of the government not paying its debt,

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“They don’t include the greater risk that the countries in debt will print money to pay their debts thus causing holders of the bonds to suffer losses from the decreased value of the money they’re getting (rather than from the decreased quantity of money they’re getting),” the Bridgewater founder said.

Moody’s on Friday cut the U.S. credit rating one notch to Aa1 from Aaa, citing the federal government’s ballooning budget deficit and soaring interest payments on the debt. It was the last of the three major credit agencies to downgrade the U.S. from the highest possible rating.

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for those who care about the value of their money, the risks for U.S. government debt are greater than the rating agencies are conveying,

(Excerpt) Read more at cnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: creditrating; dalio; debt; downgrade; economy; federalgovernment; moodys; moodysdowngrade; printingmoney; raydallo; usdebt

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1 posted on 05/20/2025 10:19:00 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

You can’t just print up more of it?


2 posted on 05/20/2025 10:26:23 AM PDT by OKSooner (Always carry. Even if all you can handle is a .22, carry it. You might be surprised.)
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To: george76
Did the company take its name after the character in Huckleberry Finn who claims to be the rightful Duke of Bridgewater?
3 posted on 05/20/2025 10:27:05 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: george76

> the risk of the federal government printing money to pay its debt <

That will 100% happen. The only question is when the printing presses will be sent into overdrive.

What other options does DC have? The interest alone on the debt is crushing. And neither the Congress nor the White House has any plan to methodically pay down what we owe. Instead, they all add to it.

Simply default on the debt? Might work okay for a company in bankruptcy, but not for a national government.

I dunno. Maybe I’m missing something. But I see hyperinflation as the only way out. And that would cause civil unrest, the likes we haven’t seen in a long time, if ever.


4 posted on 05/20/2025 10:32:33 AM PDT by Leaning Right (It’s morning in America. Again.)
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To: george76
Yes, it is. However, due to a complete and deliberate failure of the public schools to teach what is going on, the general public has not a clue as to how bad things are. As a teacher, I tred to teach along with my subject what life was really about.

However, usually Democrats in positions of power overwhelmed that effort and had me terminated several times. When the house of cards falls and someone tells/shows the masses what has ACTUALLY been going on, public officials will have nowhere to hide.

5 posted on 05/20/2025 10:52:07 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: george76

Anyone who thinks we’re going to actually pay that debt is stupid.


6 posted on 05/20/2025 10:55:09 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Leaning Right; All

And Trump is not a fiscal conservative. He just is not. He isn’t pushing for the changes necessary.


7 posted on 05/20/2025 11:37:22 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: george76

Suddenly billionaires are all et up and worrit about us plain folk.


8 posted on 05/20/2025 11:54:28 AM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: bigdaddy45

I think that was shown in his first term.


9 posted on 05/20/2025 11:55:58 AM PDT by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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To: george76

If we improve our Productivity or our GDP, this is not that big of an issue.


10 posted on 05/20/2025 12:45:14 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: bigdaddy45

He’s pushing domestic production... which helps... Some of what he is doing will help fix some of the money supply, but it might not be enough IMO. Especially in light of the GOP in Congress not backing him 100% on the cuts that need to be made.


11 posted on 05/20/2025 12:50:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
...public officials will have nowhere to hide.

Public officials will hide behind the same place they always hide - a smoke screen of lies and deception. There are plenty of scapegoats on which to blame "the troubles".

And when that eventually fails, a planned little war will reset everything.

Things never go quite as planned.

12 posted on 05/20/2025 5:27:55 PM PDT by flamberge (It seemed like a good idea at the time...)
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To: flamberge

Sure, you’re right.


13 posted on 05/20/2025 6:14:11 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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