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One Nuclear War Can Ruin the Whole Climate
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 15, 2025 | Ted Nordhaus and Mark Lynas

Posted on 05/16/2025 3:33:57 AM PDT by karpov

The world is on the brink of a climate apocalypse—one caused not by gradual greenhouse emissions but by a sudden exchange of nuclear weapons, a possibility made more salient by the current conflict between India and Pakistan. While the long-term effects of emissions are uncertain, we know that a nuclear war would result in an immediate nuclear winter.

When we think about nuclear apocalypse, we tend to think of the immediate effects: thermonuclear explosions that incinerate cities and vaporize populations. But the worst consequences unfold long after the weapons have detonated. A major thermonuclear exchange would shroud the atmosphere in soot, plunging the world into darkness and ushering in a decadelong winter. While hundreds of millions of people would likely be killed in the initial conflagrations, most of the human population—including those in the combatant nations—would likely die in the subsequent winter famine.

It’s comforting to think that an exchange of nuclear warheads in a regional conflict such as that between India and Pakistan might be more limited. The death toll from the detonation of a few dozen weapons might only number in the low millions, and there would be little effect on planetary temperatures.

But if India bombed Islamabad and Pakistan bombed Mumbai in retaliation, it would be hard to prevent further escalation. Moreover, once intercontinental ballistic missiles are in the air, it’s virtually impossible for other nuclear-armed nations to determine where they’re headed. Leaders in Washington, Moscow and Beijing would need to make decisions in a matter of minutes about whether to launch their own weapons.

Midrange scenarios involving a few hundred weapons would cool the climate enough to decimate global food production and trade and would likely kill hundreds of millions.

(Excerpt) Read more at wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: agitprop; carlsagansucks; climate; india; marklynas; ntsa; nuclearwar; pakistan; tednordhaus; wallstreetjournal; wallstreeturinal

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1 posted on 05/16/2025 3:33:57 AM PDT by karpov
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Stupid. Nuclear war will end hundreds of millions of lives, but it’s the CLIMATE the author is focused on?


2 posted on 05/16/2025 3:36:20 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (It's hard not to celebrate the fall of bad people. - Bongino)
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To: MayflowerMadam

One way nuclear war would claim hundreds of millions of lives would be its effect on the climate — nuclear winter.


3 posted on 05/16/2025 3:42:58 AM PDT by karpov
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Hard to see how dust clouds traveling through the atmosphere can cause a problem for the West, since something like half our energy comes from solar power.


4 posted on 05/16/2025 3:44:05 AM PDT by BobL
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To: karpov

It depends on the degree, I suppose. However, I think the climate might be just fine in a limited nuclear war. We’ve dropped dozens of bombs over the years, and the climate is fine.


5 posted on 05/16/2025 3:44:37 AM PDT by Jonty30 (I have invented a pen that can write underwater. And other words. )
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To: MayflowerMadam

One super volcano could cause a year with out summer.

I think that has been done before.


6 posted on 05/16/2025 3:45:57 AM PDT by riverrunner
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To: MayflowerMadam

“Stupid. Nuclear war will end hundreds of millions of lives, but it’s the CLIMATE the author is focused on?”

Apparently climatic effects of nuclear war don’t happen with US or Russian nuclear weapons, or this article would have been written 3 years ago.


7 posted on 05/16/2025 3:46:03 AM PDT by BobL
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To: MayflowerMadam

Because with the resultant change in climates making re people will die


8 posted on 05/16/2025 3:47:35 AM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: karpov
Are we still experiencing climate apocalypse from Hiroshima? I can't tell, because of all the other climate apocalypses we're experiencing.
9 posted on 05/16/2025 3:48:48 AM PDT by AF_Blue ("America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, bad ass speed." - Eleanor Roosevelt, 1936)
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To: karpov

Did the author get an eleventy billion dollar grant from USAID to come up with that conclusion😎


10 posted on 05/16/2025 3:54:51 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: Jonty30

I agree, a limited nuclear war would be no different than what has been detonated over the years.

But a massive nuclear exchange where the major nations let go with everything they’ve got will certainly end the world as we know it. Here I’m talking thousands of nukes in a couple days.


11 posted on 05/16/2025 3:58:53 AM PDT by redfreedom (Happiness is shopping at Walmart and not hearing Spanish once!)
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To: AF_Blue

A friend and I were talking about this awhile back and he asked a great question, if climate change is caused by man, why didn’t we see burnt cinder earth after ww2

Whole lot of smoke stacks belching, imagine tanks get a whole lot less mpgs than even SUVs and add a couple of nuclear devices exploded……
🤔


12 posted on 05/16/2025 3:59:09 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: karpov

” nuclear winter.”

That was a theory but the reality is no nuclear bomb has ever produced enough atmospheric dust to support the theory of a nuclear winter.


13 posted on 05/16/2025 3:59:17 AM PDT by CodeToad
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It's sad to me to see so many people thinking and believing there is no power beyond man maid powers. ^Faith is hope in things unseen.

Jesus never lied and told anybody willing to listen how the world would turn out.

IOW Christians should never have doubts when it comes to nuclear war.

Worry never added one minute to any day.

If it happens,it happens. GOD ALMIGHTY is in control.

14 posted on 05/16/2025 4:01:12 AM PDT by Ikeon ( Why don't they, do what they say? Say what they mean? One thing leads to another. )
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To: AF_Blue

Hiroshima was 7-15kt

Today’s weapons (land-based / submarine-based) on the order of about 350-450kt. (MinuteMan III / Trident D5)

British SSBN subs carry U.S. D5 missiles.

It used to be that the Russian Typhoon series were 100kt or better but that was long ago. Their mobile SS-27/RS-28 varies - the RS-28 can carry a single 750kt weapon or in MIRV configuration multiple much-smaller weapons (100kt reportedly) - just read a quick update on the RS-28


15 posted on 05/16/2025 4:04:13 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: karpov

That would solve the global warming that you tards are so obsessed with.


16 posted on 05/16/2025 4:06:58 AM PDT by Machavelli (True God)
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To: karpov

These are “experts” saying this, right? The “experts” have never been wrong about anything... right? Because science? So we MUST believe these infallible experts, right?


17 posted on 05/16/2025 4:07:40 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Hope, as a righteous product of properly aligned Faith, IS in fact a strategy.)
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To: karpov

We did over 200 above ground tests in less than 20 years.

Why wasn’t our climate ruined then?


18 posted on 05/16/2025 4:12:45 AM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Ikeon

>> It’s sad to me to see so many people thinking and believing there is no power beyond man maid powers. ^Faith is hope in things unseen.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I would add, also from Hebrews, that “faith is understanding that everything which is seen was made [by GOD] from that which is unseen [i.e. the metaphysical, or supernatural if you prefer]”.

GOD made “the science” from the metaphysical. To rely upon an imperfect view of “the science” while completely ignoring the metaphysical from which the science was made — and to which it will return — is folly.


19 posted on 05/16/2025 4:15:35 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Hope, as a righteous product of properly aligned Faith, IS in fact a strategy.)
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To: karpov

This is so 1980s. The whole “ nuclear Winter” scare was debunked 20 years ago.


20 posted on 05/16/2025 4:16:25 AM PDT by GrumpyOldGuy
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