Posted on 04/28/2025 4:27:28 PM PDT by Mariner
Russia has rejected a Ukraine war peace deal proposed by Donald Trump, the US president, because it does not grant international recognition to territory seized by Moscow’s troops.
Sergey Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, also suggested the plan did not satisfy the Kremlin’s demands to oust Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, and limit the size of Kyiv’s armed forces.
The rejection came as Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, offered a temporary, 72-hour truce next month to coincide with the 80th anniversary of the end of the Second World War in Europe.
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Then just let them both fight it out forever, I really dont give a crap anymore
“No surprise here.”
Eventually people will figure out that they’re not in the mood to negotiate-down - they’ve been screwed over way too many times by the Neocons.
Russia is not giving anything back.
For Ukraine it’s an unwinnable war.
That pipsqueak is responsible for so much death and distruction.
His laundering operation was so vial.
draw the line, end the war
Yes, I agree. Not our fight, don’t let Europe drag us into another war. To heck with NATO.
This goes way beyond “not giving anything back.” Russia’s demands would essentially reduce Ukraine to a Russian vassal, which was the goal all along. This was never just about no NATO and a few disputed border provinces.
Unfortunately there needs to be a massive bomb that goes off in Moscow that takes out thousands. They’ve made their choice. Neither Putin nor Zelensky have met the moment and Trump should put on secondary tariffs on Russia, collect some extra change on his oil sales and watch it all burn from a distance. Cutting financial ties to Russia or refusing to do business with anyone who does business with Russia seems fair game to me now. As for Ukraine, let Europe arm them with whatever they want, just don’t pay for it. The taps are dry Zelensky.
Yep.
It’s rumored Russia has a big Summer offensive in the works.
Yep. Let Europe deal with this. Trump tried, but both countries are assholes.
If Europe wants to go to war with Russia, have at it. But do it without any money, weapons or troops from us.
“Cutting financial ties to Russia or refusing to do business with anyone who does business with Russia seems fair game to me now.”
Why not do that to Ukraine?
(That pipsqueak is responsible for so much death and distruction.)
Obama and Biden were the true culprits behind this war.
“That pipsqueak is responsible for so much death and distruction”
Putin?
It would be so ironic if Ukraine managed to smuggle a nuclear or major chemical weapon into Moscow and let it rip. Let them go at it, if they want to fight to the death what can anyone do? Trump was an honest broker and neither side was willing to fight for peace.
Because Ukraine is not the invader. Do you actually want to see Russia subjugate Ukraine?
Closer to ousting Putin forever.
Closer to ousting Putin forever.
Frankly I think those demands are a stretch. Zelensky will almost certainly lose the next election, so they should plan for an election within a year of the peace deal. Kyiv isn't going to have much of an army by default for a very long time. And Russia nor the US can force universal acceptance of whatever territorial swaps occur. What matters is that Ukraine and Russia accept it, and that the US accepts it thus ensuring NATO won't get involved.
“Do you actually want to see Russia subjugate Ukraine?”
Yes.
That’s how US interests are best served.
Yeah, it has been Ukraine that has invaded another country and bombed their cities. Oh, wait…
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