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President Trump Has Exposed the U.S Side of the Proxy War by Disabling Ukraine Access to U.S. Missile and Drone Targeting Systems
The Last Refuge ^ | March 6, 2025 | Sundance

Posted on 03/06/2025 10:20:30 AM PST by SoConPubbie

The media have not, and in most cases cannot, factually discuss what President Trump has just done without opening up a major can-of-worms about the motives behind the Ukraine war.

When President Trump stopped “intelligence sharing” with Ukraine, what he technically did was stop allowing Ukraine to use exclusive USA targeting systems controlled by U.S Intelligence, the CIA, the National Reconnaissance Office and the U.S. National Geospatial Intelligence Agency.

These terrain mapping systems, the missile and drone targeting systems, are what military forces inside Ukraine need to carry out offensive drone and missile attacks against Russian forces.

Some elements in Western Intel are leaking to media that Trump only cut-off the targeting system that would permit Ukraine to hit deep into Russian territory, including in Russia proper. However, the ‘Russian territory‘ as seemingly defined by the National Security Council includes most of Eastern Ukraine now.

In essence and material reality, the elements in Ukraine who are conducting war, and this includes U.K and U.S special forces, the CIA and various NATO allied military operators (not Ukraine military) can no longer effectively hit long-range Russian targets, without the U.S. targeting system that identifies it.

The real-time sharing of military grade GPS encryption keys has been stopped by the U.S. Commander in Chief, President Trump. Effective immediately without targeting system access, ATACMS, HIMARS, Storm Shadow and Taurus missile systems are no longer functional to those Ukraine operators (remember, those operators are not necessarily Ukranian).

Additionally, the drones that Ukraine has been using also rely on the same accurate, real-time, terrain-mapping satellite data that transmits back to the guidance systems. Without the U.S. encryption keys, what the media is obtusely calling “intelligence sharing,” all of the aforementioned attack systems are rendered moot. THIS IS HUGE.

The part that is really interesting to those who have followed the events of the past three years, is literally who has been in control of and deploying these missile and drone attack systems.

All of the intellectually honest researchers know that it is the USA (special forces) and to a lesser extent the collaborating U.K (special forces) who have been operating these systems. Yes, they have been training Ukranians, but they damned sure are not giving them the highly classified and tightly controlled encryption keys within the targeting system.

In reality, this means the USA/UK are the forces doing the actual fighting of consequence against Russia in the geography of Ukraine. A true and genuine proxy war between NATO and Russia has been ongoing. This stoppage of the missile/drone targeting system by President Trump is factually exposing this proxy war reality.

In the background of what President Trump is doing the NATO alliance, CIA and EU global intelligence operators well understand the ramifications. However, to discuss them openly is to expose the reality that US/UK/NATO have been controlling the war in Ukraine against Russia. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is an irrelevant puppet to these military decisions, that’s why he can travel around doing his insufferable nonsense while a war is waged on his behalf.

Now, think about this dynamic very carefully because now we know President Trump and President Putin are talking to each other.

We know Vladimir Putin is well aware of how the Western targeting system is being used in Ukraine; he has talked about it openly and publicly. However, the West has never admitted it, because to do so would be to inform the public of the proxy war.

After the Biden/Harris team lost the election, on December 21st, 2024, drone attacks were launched from Ukraine into Kazan Russia {GO Deep}. Those attacks were intended to antagonize Russia and provoke a response.

With the new information we now have confirmation that these drone and missile strikes into Russia were factually attacks supported by U.S. targeting systems. The non-pretending reality = The USA attacked Russia using Ukraine.

All of this activity is clouded in this crazy level of pretending that Ukraine is able to defend itself with a little Western support. That has always been nonsense. NATO, the CIA and the global IC has been in control of the war fighting from the outset. Again, all the new information aligns with this now demonstrably accurate reality.

It was the USA who launched the December drone attacks into Kazan, Russia, using the geography of Ukraine as the launch origination. Additionally, it was the USA who recently (Feb 18th) launched drone/missile attacks against Western interests while Secretary Rubio was meeting with Russian emissaries in Riyad, Saudi Arabia.

Drones from Ukraine attacked a pumping station responsible for transporting oil through the Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC). This is not exclusively a Russian oil infrastructure asset. This is partly a western asset belonging to American energy corporations. As noted by Medvedev: “In 2024, American businesses accounted for over 40% of CPC oil shipments, and together with other Western companies, their total share exceeded 65%.”

Now, think carefully about what the Western control elements behind the Ukraine military operations are doing. “They” are, essentially, using U.S. provided military weapons, to target energy infrastructure -ancillary to Russia- that is owned by American corporations. Who are “they”?

Again, step back and look at the larger geopolitical dynamic.

President Trump, and by extension his team, knows the USA has been carrying out the drone/missile attacks from inside Ukraine. President Vladimir Putin, and by extension his team, knows the same.

President Trump is in direct conversation with President Vladimir Putin. Does this put the context of their conversations into a different light?

Everyone behind President Trump has to retain pretenses, or there’s going to be a big shit-hitting-fan moment, when a frustrated Trump spills the beans about the USA level of control in the Ukraine v Russia operation.

Knowing the USA/UK/NATO/CIA and Western Intel are conducting the offensive military operations you can only imagine how those “proxy war” control agents are freaked out about Trump and Putin talking to each other.

From the Russian Perspective – In the mind of Putin he now sees President Trump stopping NATO/EU/CIA/UK forces from being able to reach Russia with any attack system.

They don’t need to discuss it, and likely would not, but Putin’s people clearly can see that Trump’s people have stopped the West from their ability to hit Russia with anything.

An unspoken trust is being established through actions, not words. That’s a radical shift, and pretty cool all things considered.

Bad actors within the government Donald Trump now represents have attacked Russia. Donald Trump wants it all to stop. Zelenskyy is the front face of the pretense that Donald Trump has to navigate. The UK/NATO/CIA are still propping Zelenskyy up.

♦ WATCH FOR THIS – The U.S. is still sharing the targeting information with the U.K. However, if the NATO/EU/UK/CIA use the targeting system it will be very obvious; attacks against ‘Russian territory’ be visible. That’s all the proof needed.

If any long-range missile/drone operations continue, then someone is violating the Trump order. There is no other way to look at it.

At that point, something rather radical is likely to be announced by President Trump that shreds every facet of the U.S. relationship with NATO, the UK and even the Five-Eyes consortium.

Geopolitically, every player mentioned is well aware of this dynamic. Hence, the apoplexy we are witnessing.

This is a very interesting dynamic to watch closely.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: sundance; trumpadm; ukrainewar
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1 posted on 03/06/2025 10:20:30 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

I wouldn’t underestimate the ability of the British to come up with a solution. They like being clever quietly.


2 posted on 03/06/2025 10:28:23 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Post war analysis will be stunning! Everything in the past our corrupted western MSM was lies and omissions- all to support senile Joes Ukie war narrative

The worst part is how many fools believed it all.


3 posted on 03/06/2025 10:29:00 AM PST by delta7
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To: SoConPubbie

This is obvious evidence the CIA and DOD of the United States have been direct participants in the war against Russia. They have provided the targeting technology for attacks in Russia itself. Without that U.S. targeting tech, Ukraine could not kill Russians and blow up Russian infrastructure which they have done with drones, ATACAMS and HIMARS.

It is reasonable to assume, the U.S. military itself is coordinating and guiding these attacks by U.S. weapons and equipment provided.

The U.S. has OBVIOUSLY been in direct combat with Russia which has risked nuclear annihilation of millions in the USA in a Third World War.


4 posted on 03/06/2025 10:34:03 AM PST by Gnome1949
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To: Gnome1949

What actually amazes me is that Putin is able to recognize that the US has been taken over by a hostile force, and it is only that hostile force that he opposes - not the US people or the legitimate government of the USA. He has outright stated that it is the Deep State and all its corrupt agents including Clinton, Biden, etc who are doing all the bad stuff.

To me, that shows remarkable restraint. We could easily have a very, very hot nuclear war if Putin had allowed himself to give in to the extreme provocations.


5 posted on 03/06/2025 10:40:42 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: SoConPubbie

I told Zeepers this was happening.
They of course denied it.
They of course were wrong.
They of course won’t learn anything.


6 posted on 03/06/2025 10:41:08 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ LIFE )
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To: Gnome1949
Without that U.S. targeting tech, Ukraine could not kill Russians and blow up Russian infrastructure which they have done with drones, ATACAMS and HIMARS.

But, it's okay for Russia to have that capability in the reverse, to attack and kill Ukrainian soldiers and destroy Ukrainian infrastructure and even kill civilians in the process. Hmmm...
7 posted on 03/06/2025 10:53:42 AM PST by adorno ( )
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To: butterdezillion
To me, that shows remarkable restraint. We could easily have a very, very hot nuclear war if Putin had allowed himself to give in to the extreme provocations.

Yeah, that Putin has been such a nice guy. He even invaded Ukraine to show how nice he has been to the west.
8 posted on 03/06/2025 10:55:46 AM PST by adorno ( )
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To: SoConPubbie

E-Man-U-Al(l) Ma-cron(e) was virtually unknown before becoming elected.

Macron whose first name is E-Man-u-al(l) is legally married to man that sexually molested him as a minor when he was 15 years old; Bridgette was a male teacher who some 20+ years later has donned a dress to be the wife of the President of France. This tranny gave us the Olympics “First Supper” full of gays and trannies in Paris.

It is a travesty that in his presidential picture he has a book present written in the late 1880s by a well know French pedifile homosexual, and that Macron models his life story openly up, and matches very closely to that Big Mike’s Husband the catcher, Obama.

Zelinski was choosen for his own sexual deviancies.

It is a shame that the political elites in the West, to include the dying Pope on a Rope/Shower Soap are all homosexual deviants. Thus the adversion to Christanity.

It is a sad state in the West when you can spot the prenning and not recognize it for the un-manlyness of it all.

Real men need to sort out Ukraine. Not the merry trio of Starmer, Macron and Zelinski who represent the most corrupt group of Homo run states left in Europe who are coming to bemoan President Trump’s manhood and that of his VP Vance.

Trump needs to tell the trio of merry non-men to not even attempt to come to the US because they are not welcome where Peace is desirable.


9 posted on 03/06/2025 10:56:38 AM PST by Jumper
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To: adorno

This is NOT our war, you don’t seem to understand that by us giving Ukraine this technology it is prolonging this war Trump wants peace if the EU chooses to give Ukraine this stuff then so be it our hands are out of it!! Trump does NOT want to be dragged into this conflict!!


10 posted on 03/06/2025 10:58:18 AM PST by Trump Girl Kit Cat (Yosemite Sam raising hell)
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To: SoConPubbie

I am old enough to remember when we cut off South Vietnam and the results of that disaster.


11 posted on 03/06/2025 11:12:33 AM PST by Midwesterner53
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat
This is NOT our war,

It was not our war either in Europe after WWII was already raging, and then, it became our war too, when it got a lot hotter and a lot more deadly and a lot more destructive.

you don’t seem to understand that by us giving Ukraine this technology it is prolonging this war

True. The war wold be prolonged. But, not supporting Ukraine will bring the surrender by Ukraine and Putin will have gotten his way. Invasion will have paid off.

Trump wants peace

Peace, Putin-style, is no peace at all.

if the EU chooses to give Ukraine this stuff then so be it our hands are out of it!!

I'm all for that too, but, do the Europeans have what is needed to support Ukraine in it's struggle to remain free and independent? We in the U.S. continue to complain that the EU is not doing what they need to do to upgrade their military defense, so, if they don't have it, how are they going to give it? Unfortunately the U.S. is just about the only country that can provide for the needs of the Ukraine defense.

Trump does NOT want to be dragged into this conflict!!

Unfortunately, it's not Ukraine that dragged us into supporting them; it was Putin and Russia. It's not a simple conflict btw; it's full-blown war.
12 posted on 03/06/2025 11:14:12 AM PST by adorno ( )
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To: SoConPubbie; adorno
President Trump Has Exposed the U.S Side of the Proxy War by Disabling Ukraine Access to U.S. Missile and Drone Targeting Systems

Excellent!

Now We should severely punish Ukraine and the Traitor US intelligence agents that maneuvered attacks on American owned facilities and properties.

Typical Knife-In-The-Back Uke tactics.

13 posted on 03/06/2025 11:21:16 AM PST by Navy Patriot (President Trump Decisively Won Popular & E.C., Celebrate Recivilization!)
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To: adorno

The Ukraine can do it, when they can pay for it, build it then deploy it.

14 posted on 03/06/2025 11:22:01 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I am looking forward to the eventual purge of all Zeepers from FR.


15 posted on 03/06/2025 11:29:50 AM PST by ohioman
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To: Trump Girl Kit Cat

adorno is one of those zeepers I speak of.


16 posted on 03/06/2025 11:30:41 AM PST by ohioman
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To: BlackbirdSST
The Ukraine can do it, when they can pay for it, build it then deploy it.

Very few countries have that capability to build it themselves. I suppose Canada and Japan and S.Korea and all countries in S.America should build their own too.

Reasonable thinking is not part of your mind's repertoire processes.
17 posted on 03/06/2025 11:35:07 AM PST by adorno ( )
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To: Navy Patriot
Now We should severely punish Ukraine and the Traitor US intelligence agents that maneuvered attacks on American owned facilities and properties.

Can't punish people for actions that were authorized by the highest authority on the planet. Unfortunately that authority was the worst president in U.S. history, but nevertheless, the use of intelligence and the weapons, was authorized. Can't punish a cop if he fires a bullet into the head of a criminal who was committing murder or other hideous crimes. Blame those who authorized the legal actions.

Typical Knife-In-The-Back Uke tactics.

No bigger knife-in-the-back than abandoning a people to the genocidal and psychopathic maniac in Russia.
18 posted on 03/06/2025 11:42:29 AM PST by adorno ( )
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Per GPT, the UK launched its first military satellite for recon and comm in Sept 2024. That’s right, first one in 2024.

And most important of all . . . all these articles are avoiding the core reality and the only thing that has managed to make it all competitive. It is not loss of offensive capability . . . it is loss of defensive capability.

If forces Russian mass to attack, absence of satellite recon makes them invisible. Defense cannot be deployed. Territory loss accelerates.

The low weight warhead hits into Russia have been insignificant. When you can put 500 pounds on target, then you are achieving something other than media fodder.

Were I the Russians at this point, I would suspect this whole issue. I would mass some forces for advance, but do nothing until my own satellite recon said no response to my deployments were underway. Then the attack can proceed unopposed.


19 posted on 03/06/2025 11:43:28 AM PST by Owen
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To: SoConPubbie

Sundance is wrong about Uke drones, which do not use not need this geomapping system. He also neglects to mention the massive role of Palantir in AI-targeting in Ukraine. It is independent of the NSA system and it is unclear if the Trump order impacts them as well


20 posted on 03/06/2025 11:44:43 AM PST by montag813
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