Posted on 02/23/2025 11:34:13 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
Zelensky now: it was a grant, not a loan
(Excerpt) Read more at x.com ...
1. I only had one beer.
2. You’ve lost weight.
3. I have a headache.
The Czech is in the male.
Your USA credit card is already maxed.
It’s time to look for other options.
Source: US Dept of State web site
Excerpt: To date, we have provided Ukraine $65.9 billion in military assistance since Russia’s initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014. We have now used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on 55 occasions since August 2021 to provide Ukraine military assistance totaling approximately $27.688 billion from DoD stockpiles.
Long list of weaponry at web site
Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA)
Pursuant to a delegation by the President, we have used the emergency Presidential Drawdown Authority on 55 occasions since August 2021 to provide Ukraine military assistance totaling approximately $31.7 billion from DoD stockpiles.
On September 26, 2024, the Department notified Congress of the intent to direct the drawdown of up to approximately $5.55 billion in defense articles and services from DoD stocks for military assistance to Ukraine under Presidential Drawdown Authority. This drawdown, if directed, will utilize the remaining authority of the Presidential Drawdown Authority under section 506(a)(1) of the Foreign Assistance for fiscal year 2024 provided by the Ukraine Security Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2024 (Div. B, P.L. 118-50) (USSAA), which will expires on September 30, 2024. As a result of this planned drawdown, the United States will be able to continue to provide defense articles and services to Ukraine from DoD stocks under Presidential Drawdown Authority on a continual basis and remains available for Ukraine regardless of the end of the fiscal year.
On August 14, 2023, the Department announced the first of several packages utilizing previously authorized PDA Authority. During DoD’s regular oversight of their execution of previous Presidential Drawdown Authority for Ukraine, they discovered that they had been incorrectly overvaluing the weapons and equipment in previous PDAs that had been authorized or Ukraine. DoD then undertook a review using the appropriate accounting method, which restored $6.2 billion that can be used under Congressionally authorized drawdown authority to provide arms and equipment to meet Ukraine’s urgent security requirements. As PDA is an authority, not a funding source, once notified to Congress there is no ‘expiration date’ for the provision of defense articles and services up to the value that was notified. Any additional space within the previously notified PDAs, identified as a result of DOD’s recalculation of the value of previous PDAs therefore remains available for Ukraine regardless of the end of the fiscal year.
Security Assistance
To date, Congress has appropriated $4.65 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) across two supplemental packages for Ukraine and “countries impacted by the situation in Ukraine.” Of this total, $4 billion has been notified to Congress. The first Ukraine supplemental also provided $4 billion in FMF loan authority and $4 billion in loan guarantees to NATO Allies.
In FY 2023, DoD provided $12.1 billion in security assistance to Ukraine under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) in eight separate tranches.
In FY 2023, the Department notified Congress of our intent to make an additional $1.1 billion in long-term investments with FMF to bolster the security of Ukraine and 13 regional partners and allies in Europe who are at risk from potential future Russian aggression. These funds will help our allies and partners in the region to backfill military capabilities they have donated to Ukraine, enable new donations to Ukraine, and support longer-term military requirements in both the broader region and in Ukraine itself. On September 6, 2023, the Secretary announced an additional $100 million in Foreign Military Financing to support Ukraine’s longer-term military requirements.
On September 8, 2022, the Department notified Congress of our intent to make a further $2.2 billion available in long-term investments under Foreign Military Financing (FMF) to bolster the security of Ukraine and 17 of its regional neighbors; including both many of our NATO allies as well as other regional security partners who are most potentially at risk for future Russian aggression. These funds will help our allies and partners who have provided security assistance to Ukraine backfill their capabilities.
On April 24, 2022, the Department notified Congress of its intention to obligate more than $713 million in Foreign Military Financing funding for Ukraine and 15 other Allied and partner nations in Central and Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Assistance in this Notification will help NATO Allies backfill capabilities they have donated to Ukraine from their own stockpiles to retain and strengthen NATO deterrence.
In FY 2022, DoD provided $6.3 billion in security assistance to Ukraine under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI) in seven separate tranches. All the FY2022 USAI funds appropriated by Congress have now been committed. In FY 2021, Ukraine received $275 million under DoD’s Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). This included $75 million in lethal assistance.
In FY 2021, the Department provided Ukraine $115 million in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) and $3 million in International Military Education and Training (IMET) funding. Prior to Russia’s renewed invasion, FMF supported Ukraine’s acquisition of a wide array of capabilities including counter-mortar radars, secure radios, vehicles, electronic equipment, small arms and light weapons, and medical supplies, among others. The Global Security Contingency Fund, a joint program of the U.S. Departments of State and Defense, has provided more than $42 million in training, advisory services, and equipment to assist the Government of Ukraine to further develop the tactical, operational, and institutional capacities of its Special Operations Forces, National Guard, conventional forces, non-commissioned officer corps, and combat medical care since 2014.
Excess Defense Articles (EDA) On February 20, 2022, the United States utilized the Excess Defense Articles program to transfer Mi-17 helicopters to Ukraine.
Since 2018, the United States has provided Ukraine with four refitted U.S. Coast Guard Island-Class cutters. The refit was funded with Ukrainian national funds and FMF. Additional vessels are pending transfer.
Third Party Transfers (TPT)
In advance of Russia’s invasion and after the outbreak of war in February 2022, the United States approved Third Party Transfers from 14 NATO Allies and close partners to provide U.S.-origin equipment from their inventories for use by Ukrainian forces. Deliveries to date include almost 12,000 anti-armor systems of all types; more than 1,550 anti-air missiles; radars; night vision devices; machine guns; rifles and ammunition; and body armor. The contributions from our partners and Allies are vital and appreciated.
Foreign Military Sales
The United States has $595.9 million in active government-to-government sales cases with Ukraine under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) system. FMS sales notified to Congress are listed on the DSCA website, and significant prior sales include the: 2022 sale of non-standard artillery ammunition; 2018 sale of 210 Javelin anti-armor missiles, which first provided Ukraine with a critical anti-armor capability; the 2019 sale of 150 additional Javelins; and the 2020 Mark VI patrol boats sale. The Javelin sales were funded by a mixture of State Department FMF funds and Ukrainian national funds.
Direct Commercial Sales
From 2015 through 2023, the United States also authorized the permanent export of over $1.6 billion in defense articles and services to Ukraine via Direct Commercial Sales (DCS). The top categories of DCS exports to Ukraine during that period were Fire Control, Laser, Imaging, and Guidance Equipment, ($339.1 million); Personal Protective Equipment ($247.3 million); and Ammunition and Ordnance ($232 million).
Conventional Weapons Destruction
On September 30, 2022 the Department awarded $47.6 million to Tetra Tech to launch a large-scale train and equip project to strengthen the Government of Ukraine’s demining and explosive ordnance disposal (EOD) capacity. This project forms part of the $91.5 million in assistance that the Department will provide over FY2023 to help the Government of Ukraine address the urgent humanitarian challenges posed by explosive remnants of war created by Russia’s brutal war of aggression. On September 6, 2023, the Department announced an additional $90.5 million in humanitarian demining assistance.
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“I will gladly pay you tomorrow for a hamburger today.” ——Wimpy
"Zelensky in 2023: Give us credit and we will pay you back the money"
What did corrupt Biden Administration, corrupt Congress tell Zelensky about the money?
Am I overlooking anything?
I don’t believe the US put any restrictions on the billions given other than not to use the US weapons to strike deep in Russia.
The EU countries gave money and arms as a loan according what I read. Probably knowing full well it would never be repaid. But the obligation would always be there.
did usa depreciate the weapon donations before giving them to Ukraine?
(I thought I read somewhere that at least some of it was expired ammo, etc.)
(i’m not pro ZZZ, just asking)
It sounds like there is a cut in the first tape for some (misleading?) reason, where he is saying that if we can’t give guns ... (cut)... then give us credit and we’ll pay you back, meaning at this time, or both at the same time.
Was this kind of deal made?
In all honesty, before this week, I’ve never heard “boo” about any loaning. Even the most virulent Zelensky haters bemoan all the funds we’ve “given” to him; never how big the loan is.
Remember how all of Europe, us, and the whole dang world were passionately declaring undying support for Ukraine in this imperialist war, which was a war against all of us, after all, in the beginning.
We all know it would be different if our president at the time was President Trump, but it wasn’t. So here we are.
In all honesty, before this week, I’ve never heard “boo” about any loaning. Even the most virulent Zelensky haters bemoan all the funds we’ve “given” to him; never how big the loan is.
There were grants and there were loans. It is NOT one or the others. This is typical political speech where both are said.
Ummm, nope.
If so, then that is precisely the issue. Political speech isn't the point. Amount of loan and amount of grant aid is the point. We can't ask for repayment of grant aid, even if we come to regret it.
The sad thing is that congress(Including republicans) and Biden just gave it away.
The age old EU saying, “ When shaking hands with a Ukrainian, be sure to check how many fingers he stole” ….rings truer every day.
I know, been there, done that. The real crime, all the EU knows this, but yet they continued their dirty financial dealings with them.
Straight out of his forthcoming book: “The Art of Getting My Ass Kicked”
“The age old EU saying, “ When shaking hands with a Ukrainian, be sure to check how many fingers he stole” ….rings truer every day.”
lol!
You have it wrong 2×.
It is not and old EU saying. It predates the EU.
And one checks for rings, not fingers.
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