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Trump suggests Ukraine shouldn't have fought back against Russia
NBC News ^ | Jan 23, 2025 | Megan Lebowitz

Posted on 01/23/2025 9:16:17 PM PST by McGruff

President Donald Trump suggested in an interview that aired Thursday night that Ukraine should not have fought when Russia invaded it.

"Zelenskyy was fighting a much bigger entity, much bigger, much more powerful," Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity. "He shouldn’t have done that, because we could have made a deal."

Trump has argued that Zelenskyy should have made a deal with Russian President Vladimir Putin to avoid the war, a stance he reiterated in the Fox News interview.

"I could have made that deal so easily, and Zelenskyy decided that 'I want to fight,'" Trump said.

Trump went on to compare the number of tanks each country had, emphasizing that Russia had more.

"You don't fight those," Trump said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: European Union; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: concerntroll; concerntrolling; eussr; fakenews; fourthreich; kentfrommoscow; meganlebowitz; nbc; nbcfakenews; tds; trump
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1 posted on 01/23/2025 9:16:17 PM PST by McGruff
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To: McGruff

Yeah, no.


2 posted on 01/23/2025 9:18:05 PM PST by McCarthysGhost
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To: McGruff

Trump diplomacy.

He never puts himself in a box.

But he boxes in most everyone else.


3 posted on 01/23/2025 9:18:33 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: McGruff

It is hard to say when the Kabuki Theater is going to end, and the actual agreement is going to be rolled out.


4 posted on 01/23/2025 9:26:13 PM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: McGruff; Allegra; kiryandil; bimboeruption; aMorePerfectUnion

[”Zelenskyy was fighting a much bigger entity, much bigger, much more powerful,” Trump told Fox News’ Sean Hannity. “He shouldn’t have done that, because we could have made a deal.”]

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5 posted on 01/23/2025 9:32:52 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: McGruff

And go one step further back. Had Ukraine not outlawed the Russian language, started shelling people who opted out of the coup, not embraced WWII nazism, and went in hard on ethnic cleansing, and declared they were giving Sevastopol to NATO navies... they wouldn’t have been invaded in the first place.


6 posted on 01/23/2025 9:32:59 PM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: DesertRhino

people forget, the Ukraine division of the SS Deaths Head squads were the meanest and baddest of em all.


7 posted on 01/23/2025 9:40:54 PM PST by basalt (he "legacy")
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To: McGruff

Ukraine should have sufficiently provided for their own defense.


8 posted on 01/23/2025 9:41:13 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Trump should call Traitor General Milley back into service and bust him to private.)
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To: McCarthysGhost

This war was always going to end with Russia getting most of the territory it wanted, to protect Russian ethics, and Ukraine getting what’s left.

The only difference between then and now is that it will take Ukraine a generation to get its population back.


9 posted on 01/23/2025 9:44:14 PM PST by Jonty30 (If you ate your twin in the womb, your pronouns should be we/us.)
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To: DesertRhino

Too much Putin paranoia over NATO. Putin knew the time was right to attack Ukraine because a cognitively impaired US president would not put up an effective opposition.
The idiot Biden cancelled LNG to Europe which forced Europe to fund Putin war machine. Biden also cancelled and blocked US energy production and supply keeping oil prices high.
Russia is a garbage country. Their people are garbage; they have always supported the “Grozny “ leader, the strongman, feared one. No matter what ideology it’s Ivan the Terrible, the Czars and their pogroms, Lenin, Stalin and now the puke Putin.
No wonder Russia and China get along so well. The Chinese are also garbage with their support of corrupt Emperors and the worst mass murderer Mao.


10 posted on 01/23/2025 9:47:52 PM PST by grumpygresh ( Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification.)
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To: McGruff

He’s right.


11 posted on 01/23/2025 9:51:02 PM PST by enumerated (81 million votes my ass)
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To: grumpygresh

The actions of Bidon and his administration, in cutting NG supplies to Europe, forbidding export of America’s oil which tripled the world price of oil. suggests they really wanted this war.


12 posted on 01/23/2025 9:51:05 PM PST by Jonty30 (If you ate your twin in the womb, your pronouns should be we/us.)
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To: grumpygresh

Ukraine leader is a homosexual erotic dancer. I have video to prove it. Ukraine is the most corrupt country in the world. Biden’s made millions from Ukraine.


13 posted on 01/23/2025 9:53:55 PM PST by Bobbyvotes (uantity )
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To: McGruff
"Zelenskyy was fighting a much bigger entity, much bigger, much more powerful," Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity. "He shouldn’t have done that, because we could have made a deal."

I suspect Zelensky made a deal with Biden instead. One that was beneficial to Zelensky, Biden and some others in our government. Doing some laundry.

14 posted on 01/23/2025 9:56:08 PM PST by Allegra (It’s MAGA time! )
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To: grumpygresh
Their people are garbage; they have always supported the “Grozny “ leader, the strongman, feared one.

,,, list their other choices.

15 posted on 01/23/2025 10:04:12 PM PST by shaggy eel (A long way south of the border.)
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To: Bobbyvotes

“Ukraine leader is a homosexual erotic dancer”

I don’t doubt that. Putin is a Napoleon wannabe and megalomaniac nutjob. They make perfect pair and I hope they totally F each other. Russia is a sh** country just as much as Zelenskyy is a little puke.


16 posted on 01/23/2025 10:08:51 PM PST by grumpygresh ( Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification.)
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To: DesertRhino

“Had Ukraine not outlawed the Russian language, started shelling people who opted out of the coup, not embraced WWII nazism...”

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You have been brainwashed by the Bolsheviks and are oblivious of basic history. What you said is based on comedy.

Here is the truth, I give it to you for free:

(I was working on this last week, it’s about finished.)

Russia’s historical and modern policies toward Ukraine reflect an effort to assimilate and control Ukraine by undermining its distinct national identity. The marginalization of the Ukrainian language was a key tool in these efforts, reinforcing Russian cultural and political dominance.

By the time Zelensky became president, many Ukrainians viewed the promotion of the Ukrainian language as an essential step toward reclaiming their cultural sovereignty and resisting Russian aggression.

Before Volodymyr Zelensky became president of Ukraine in 2019, Russia engaged in a number of actions that negatively affected the Ukrainian language, culture, and national identity. These actions are part of a broader historical trend tied to imperial Russian and Soviet policies and were further amplified in modern times by Russia’s attempts to exert influence over Ukraine.

Historical suppression of Ukrainian language and culture...
Russia’s policies toward Ukraine have aimed to marginalize the Ukrainian language and promote Russian dominance:

19th-Century Imperial Policies:

Valuev Circular (1863): This decree restricted the publication of Ukrainian-language books, asserting that the Ukrainian language did not exist as a separate language but was merely a dialect of Russian.

Ems Ukaz (1876): Issued by Tsar Alexander II, it banned the publication and import of Ukrainian-language books, performances, and educational materials, further suppressing Ukrainian identity.
Soviet Era (1917–1991):

Russification campaigns: The Soviet government promoted the Russian language as the lingua franca of the USSR, often at the expense of local languages, including Ukrainian.

Cultural repression: Ukrainian intellectuals, writers, and artists were frequently targeted during purges, such as in the 1930s under Stalin, when many were labeled “bourgeois nationalists” and executed or imprisoned.

Education: The Soviet system emphasized Russian as the primary language of instruction, relegating Ukrainian to a secondary status.

Holodomor (1932–1933): While the Holodomor (a man-made famine by Russia that caused 5 million Ukrainian deaths) was not directly a language policy, it disproportionately affected Ukrainian-speaking rural populations, weakening Ukrainian culture and demographics.

Modern Russian actions against Ukrainian language and identity:
In the post-Soviet era, especially leading up to and following the Euromaidan Revolution in 2014, Russia has engaged in several actions that undermined the Ukrainian language and sovereignty:

Cultural undermining:
Russian media and political rhetoric often framed Ukrainian as an inferior or “regional dialect” of Russian, dismissing its status as a legitimate language.
Promoted narratives that Ukrainian identity was artificial or created by Western powers.

Crimea and Donbas:
Annexation of Crimea (2014): After Russia annexed Crimea, Ukrainian-language education was heavily restricted, and the Ukrainian-speaking population faced intimidation and persecution.

War in Donbas:
In Russian-occupied parts of Donetsk and Luhansk, the Ukrainian language was marginalized in schools, media, and public life, with Russian becoming the dominant and often exclusive language.

Disinformation and Propaganda:
Russian state media frequently disseminated propaganda mocking Ukraine’s attempts to promote the Ukrainian language, framing such efforts as anti-Russian or oppressive to Russian speakers.
Disinformation campaigns painted the Ukrainian government as “fascist” for promoting Ukrainian identity.
Interference in Ukrainian Politics:

During the presidencies of Leonid Kuchma and Viktor Yanukovych, Russia supported pro-Russian politicians who prioritized the Russian language over Ukrainian in official contexts.
Russian-backed politicians and parties advocated for the official bilingual status of Russian and Ukrainian, aiming to weaken Ukrainian as the sole state language.

Direct impact on Ukrainian language and education
in areas under Russian influence:

Reduction in Ukrainian schools: In Crimea, the number of Ukrainian-language schools and classes drastically declined after 2014.

Media suppression: Ukrainian-language media outlets were shut down in occupied territories, limiting access to Ukrainian cultural and linguistic content.


17 posted on 01/23/2025 10:22:46 PM PST by USA-FRANCE (The Iran-Russia-North Korea-China Alliance is at war against Israel and Ukraine. Let's not forget.)
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To: shaggy eel

Their choice depended on the will of the people. They had a window under the drunk Yeltsin and they blew it. They let Putin in for life after the weeney Medvedev.
They have no tradition of democracy or republicanism. The fact that the Russian people cannot promote or form a rational government should not mean that they bear no responsibility for the irrational decisions by a mendacious and menacing dictator.


18 posted on 01/23/2025 10:22:59 PM PST by grumpygresh ( Civil disobedience by non-compliance; jury and state nullification.)
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To: grumpygresh
They have no tradition of democracy or republicanism.

,,, there ya go. That's the bottom line. Fair and free elections don't get a look in.

19 posted on 01/23/2025 10:27:35 PM PST by shaggy eel (A long way south of the border.)
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To: McGruff

Ukraine was/is a black box for Democrat deep-state corruption of all kinds - from Hunter Biden and Chris Heinz grifting, to secret biolabs, to anti-Trump political schemes, to MIC profiteering.

It is a cancer on the US body politic.

Pity the Ukraine people who are being sacrificed for the sins and greed of our DC elites.


20 posted on 01/23/2025 10:29:02 PM PST by PGR88
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