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If Putin loses his Tartus base, he may need a ceasefire in Ukraine
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | December 4, 2024 | David Axe

Posted on 12/08/2024 6:43:46 AM PST by Timber Rattler

On November 27, a powerful force led by Islamist group Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) launched an offensive in northern Syria. Taking advantage of the dysfunctional Assad regime forces – the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) – and Russia’s preoccupation with its grinding war in Ukraine, HTS and its Turkish-supported allies advanced to the south – and swiftly liberated the city of Aleppo from Syrian strongman Bashar Al-Assad, his SAA and his Russian backers.

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The Russians know Tartus is in trouble. On December 3, commercial satellite imagery revealed that every major Russian warship known to operate from Tartus – three missile frigates, a diesel-electric attack submarine and two lightly-armed support ships – had unmoored from the port’s three large piers and sailed into the Med.

It’s possible the war in Ukraine is about to cost the Russian navy an entire ocean and a lot of influence. The Soviet Union, and later Russia, maintained a presence at Tartus since the 1970s, but it was mostly a token presence in the two decades between the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the commencement of the Syrian civil war in 2011.

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All that is to say, losing Tartus would be catastrophic for Russian power projection in Southern Europe and North Africa. Realistically, the only way for the Kremlin to replace the vital shore infrastructure in Tartus is to regain access to the Med via the Bosporus.

But there’s almost no prospect of that happening while the war in Ukraine still rages. Russian president Vladimir Putin may soon face an unhappy choice: keep fighting in Ukraine but lose influence in the Mediterranean region; or sue for peace in Ukraine and open up access from the Black Sea to the Med.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria
KEYWORDS: 0dailytroll; angrybunny; anotherbidenwar; grainpowermaximus; hunkamaximus; navy; notseemaximus; putin; rabidrussophobes; shriekusmaximus; tartus; ukraine; zeeperporn
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Putin is running out of warm water ports for his remaining warships...

Russian Navy Evacuates Second Key Base This Year

Lat: 34.940°, Lon: 35.878° FIRES: 2024-12-08 (TODAY)

1 posted on 12/08/2024 6:43:46 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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We’re simply seeing the movements happening of ‘the deal’ already in play.


2 posted on 12/08/2024 6:51:11 AM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Timber Rattler
Oh noes! Not his Tartus!


3 posted on 12/08/2024 6:53:11 AM PST by Sirius Lee (Gosh, that's swell!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Interesting article. Thanks.


4 posted on 12/08/2024 7:09:55 AM PST by rrrod (6)
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To: caww
We’re simply seeing the movements happening of ‘the deal’ already in play.

Nah!

Russia's too big to fail. They'll simply use their hypersonic missiles and nuclear bombs to threaten the Syrian rebels, who will be so scared that they'll allow Russia to keep their navy in place.

But, what 'deal' is it you speak of? Trump's deal making skills? Trump is behind the Syrian rebels and made a deal with them to get rid of the Assad regime?
5 posted on 12/08/2024 7:20:16 AM PST by adorno ( )
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Again.....We’re simply seeing the movements happening of ‘the deal’ already in play.


6 posted on 12/08/2024 7:32:09 AM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Timber Rattler

I wonder what all this means for the world on a whole. Will this work to the benefit, or detriment, of Israel and the world?


7 posted on 12/08/2024 7:33:21 AM PST by ducttape45 (Jeremiah 17:9, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?")
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To: caww

What damn deal, spit it out man!


8 posted on 12/08/2024 7:39:52 AM PST by chuck allen
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If they had to abandon Putin’s flagship, the tugboat Stolichnaya, the warships will soon be dead in the Mediterranean waters.


9 posted on 12/08/2024 7:41:45 AM PST by I-ambush (From the brightest star comes the blackest hole. You had so much to offer, why didya offer your sou?)
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To: Timber Rattler

Speculation.


10 posted on 12/08/2024 7:44:26 AM PST by McGruff (Where's Biden?)
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To: Sirius Lee
Now THIS is a tardis!
11 posted on 12/08/2024 7:46:34 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT ( "The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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We’re the last to know exactly what the deals are.....but you know they’re in motion when you see leaders activities on the world stage as we do now. Trump announcing the US should not be involved with Syria spoke volumes of ‘deals of understanding’ between leaders of what’s going down in Syria now.....as a good example.


12 posted on 12/08/2024 7:53:02 AM PST by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: caww
Again.....We’re simply seeing the movements happening of ‘the deal’ already in play.

Again.... What was the deal that Trump made that caused the movements to happen?

Trump has said that he's not going to involved in the happenings in Syria. Whatever happens there is without Trump doing anything. Getting rid of Assad was a good thing anyway.
13 posted on 12/08/2024 7:58:26 AM PST by adorno ( )
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To: Timber Rattler

Rather than agree to a peace deal with Ukraine, what’s to stop Russia from making some treaty with their new pals the Iranians for some port in Iran in exchange for S-400 missiles systems and/or nuclear technology?


14 posted on 12/08/2024 8:03:12 AM PST by Freedumb
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If they had to abandon Putin’s flagship, the tugboat Stolichnaya, the warships will soon be dead in the Mediterranean waters.

Interesting point, tugboats as strategic assets that must be based. They do lack the range to operate with a fleet lacking a tanker and the Russians don't have a place on the Med to fill one. With the fall of Syria, Sultan Erdogan gains a lot of leverage at the Bosporus.

15 posted on 12/08/2024 8:10:18 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: adorno
They'll simply use their hypersonic missiles and nuclear bombs to threaten the Syrian rebels

No they won't

Rebels control most of Syria now, and with Assad's Army surrendering, they'll probably have the Russian base before Christmas

Good riddance, Russia


16 posted on 12/08/2024 8:17:31 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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No they won't

It was a joke.

I was simply making fun of how Russia has been operating with their tactics of threats against Ukraine and NATO and others who would aid Ukraine.

Russia ain't dead yet, since they still have the thousands of nuclear missiles waiting for Putin to make more threats.
17 posted on 12/08/2024 8:50:04 AM PST by adorno ( )
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To: ducttape45

Assad was cowed and posed no direct threat to Israel.

Indirectly, Assad allowed Syria to be used by Iran to supply hezbollah. That is now over.

hezbollah was defeated temporarily on the ground by Israel. But now with no resupply from Iran, hezbollah will never again seriously endanger Israel.

On the other hand, being a Jew with an ISIS neighbor is no bueno. I give it 2-3 years before ISIS Syria becomes an actual threat to Israel. That’ll be about the time Israel is rested, resupplied, and finished with hamass and whatever is left of hezbollah.

So, while this gives Israel immediate relief, and in the long run I’d guess they’ll still be fine, look for ISIS to initiate war on Israel in about 2028. IMHO.


18 posted on 12/08/2024 8:59:21 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (The ACLU's Chase Strangio, a woman with a beard, argued that two-year-olds should be castrated.)
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To: adorno

OK sorry, my bad

But you are right ... they use the threat so often that it becomes meaningless

If someone waves a Big Gun around and constantly threatens to use it but never does, eventually people will figure out that he’s bluffing


19 posted on 12/08/2024 9:09:22 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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20 posted on 12/08/2024 9:22:33 AM PST by Kazan
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