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Russia retakes half of lost Kursk territory
The Telegraph ^ | Oct 15, 2024 | James Kilner

Posted on 10/16/2024 12:01:36 AM PDT by McGruff

Russia has recaptured half of the territory it lost to Ukraine in Kursk, a region central to Volodymyr Zelensky’s plan to defeat Vladimir Putin.

A senior Russian commander from Chechnya said that an estimated 50,000 troops were pushing back Ukrainian forces, who either had to flee or “end up in the cauldron”.

Well-connected Russian and Ukrainian military bloggers have been reporting since Saturday that Moscow’s troops have punched through sectors of Ukraine’s front lines in Kursk.

Mr Zelensky has insisted that the situation has stabilised

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia; War
KEYWORDS: kursk; ohnoes; rundstedtoffensive; zeepersdespondent; zeepershasthesads
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1 posted on 10/16/2024 12:01:36 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

WW I-like


2 posted on 10/16/2024 12:08:51 AM PDT by Az Joe (Live free or die)
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To: McGruff

The very name, “Kursk”, is holy to the Putin-Bolsheviks.

Losing it once is a symbolic loss, but not essential to advancing to Ukraine’s borders.


3 posted on 10/16/2024 2:23:07 AM PDT by Does so (Vote for The Anti-War President...🇺🇦...Dem☭crats...)
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To: McGruff

The Kursk capture helped to divert Russian military resources away from Donetsk, embarrassed Russia internationally, and messed-up the Kremlin dictator’s plans for a fall offensive

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!


4 posted on 10/16/2024 2:33:38 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: canuck_conservative
So we had to lose the battle in Kursk so we could accelerate the collapse of the Ukrainian military to lose the entire war so we can embarrass Russia internationally

Zelensky must be channeling John Belushi and binge watching Animal House on Netflix in his increasingly embattled Fuhrer Bunker in an undisclosed location on the outskirts of Kiev.

As Otter so eloquently put it in Animal House all those years ago, “I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h4DZeBleLs

And all the while another 50,000 people are dead since the ill fated and ironically termed "Kursk Offensive" and more of the Ukraine is reduced to rubble and the US and NATO have squandered so much on keeping the proxy war going in the last year or so that there is no longer money left for rebuilding the devastation in post war Ukraine , but that's OK because a lot of Russians are dead and we sure showed Putin and Putin is really, really bad guy.

5 posted on 10/16/2024 3:23:36 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: McGruff

Putin is trying to maximize the territory he possesses prior to the two parties being strong armed into a settlement by President Trump.


6 posted on 10/16/2024 3:41:29 AM PDT by I-ambush (From the brightest star comes the blackest hole. You had so much to offer, why didya offer your sou?)
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To: McGruff
A senior Russian commander from Chechnya said…
7 posted on 10/16/2024 3:52:15 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: rdcbn1

If you were around in 1940, you’d be advising everyone NOT to fight back against the Nazis, because it will “just create more bloodshed”

lol


8 posted on 10/16/2024 4:01:21 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: canuck_conservative

Note: The Ukes are losing men and falling back across all fronts.
Kursk was a turkey shoot for Russia


9 posted on 10/16/2024 4:04:16 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: McGruff
Despite this and other limited movements on the ground, Russia and Ukraine are in a virtual stalemate in a war of attrition. In the larger view, neither side can generate substantial new combat power from their own resources, but the balance is shifting against Russia due to her innate weaknesses and NATO and US support for Ukraine.

Shortfalls in men and materiel have Russia turning to desperate expedients. These include: making Russian sailors and prison guards into soldiers; putting poorly trained green conscripts into combat; recruiting foreigners to the war effort, often under false pretenses; and hiring combat soldiers and buying munitions from North Korea.

Russia is even using civilian trucks and cars as transport on the front lines. Sending unready, poorly equipped, and unwilling conscripts into combat in stolen trucks and compact euro sedans is not the mark of a winning army.

Such measures do not address Russia's fundamental lack of resources and her defective military organization and doctrine. In addition, Russia's economy and state and private finances are under increasing stress and risk falling into crisis in 2025. Meanwhile, Ukraine shows no signs of buckling and continues to wear out her large but clumsy opponent. The coming year looks to be the culminating point of Russia's war effort.

The oligarchs are restive and are urging Putin to make peace. Yet Putin fears -- with good reason -- that the Russian populace would turn on him once it became inescapably clear in a peace deal that Russia had no victory and no gains proportional to her losses. Putin and his circle of loyalists hope that war weariness and the expected new Trump administration will provide peace next year on easy terms for Russia.

Contrary to Democratic and media propaganda, once back in office, Trump is likely to force a cease fire and then peace terms on Russia that provide a veiled de facto Ukrainian and American victory. After all, although Trump wants peace, the point of MAGA is not just peace, but peace on terms that serve American interests. That means Ukraine secure and gradually restored in full to her territory as the price of peace and sanctions relief for Russia.

Such a deal could ease Putin out or permit him to remain in power as a transitional figure like Franco, isolated and diminished but providing a symbolic source of stability and continuity. In any event, the inducement to Putin would be that he is permitted to die peacefully in bed and provide for his children. Meanwhile, Russia will become an ally of sorts to the US and NATO against China and Iran.

Is such a deal impossible? Not really, at least not for a self-made billionaire New York real estate developer who improbably became President, was defeated for reelection, then took on and beat his political and legal adversaries and clawed his way back into the Presidency. Putin is no doubt infuriated by Biden the warmaker, but he has greater cause to fear Trump as a peacemaker at the negotiating table.

10 posted on 10/16/2024 4:11:57 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: canuck_conservative

In 1940 most United States citizens didn’t want to join Europe’s war.
FDR wanted it to cover up his failed policies.
Don’t know what it was like in Canada.


11 posted on 10/16/2024 4:45:13 AM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships)
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So you are saying basically Ukraine is winning, Sure Jan.


12 posted on 10/16/2024 5:09:06 AM PDT by McGruff (Ask everyone, Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: canuck_conservative

You do know that Russia is taking Ukrainian territory at 4 times the rate of their progress prior to May of this year? The Ukraine is collapsing and the public in the West will be the last to know thanks to censorship and propaganda from your fellow communist travelers.


13 posted on 10/16/2024 5:22:12 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: Rockingham

May I have some of your hopium?


14 posted on 10/16/2024 5:23:00 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: McGruff

Z-Man’s “Victory Plan” is DOA.


15 posted on 10/16/2024 5:28:50 AM PDT by tennmountainman ( (“Less propaganda would be appreciated.” JimRob 12-2-2023 DITTO)
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To: McGruff

In strategic terms, the Russo-Ukraine War is a stalemate. No one is winning.


16 posted on 10/16/2024 5:30:36 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

Actually, Russia is on the brink of failure.

The Russian oil business is being destroyed one refinery at a time. The Ruble is in peril. Chechna is in revolt. etc etc....


17 posted on 10/16/2024 5:35:33 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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To: Rockingham

Russia will win this war of attrition without having to make sweeping territorial gains right away. The Kursk incursion played directly into Putin’s strategic attrition plan.


18 posted on 10/16/2024 5:44:04 AM PDT by phil00071
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To: canuck_conservative

The Telegraph used to be a respected conservative newspaper, but like other once-respected UK media, they have allowed themselves to slide into an irrational warmongering stance toward Russia.


19 posted on 10/16/2024 5:46:57 AM PDT by phil00071
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To: Rockingham
In the larger view, neither side can generate substantial new combat power from their own resources, but the balance is shifting against Russia due to her innate weaknesses and NATO and US support for Ukraine.

Aren't you just projecting? 🤔🤔🤔


20 posted on 10/16/2024 5:54:40 AM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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