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NY Appeals Court Judges Scrutinize ‘Troubling’ $450 Million Penalty In Trump Fraud Case: ‘No One Lost Any Money’
The Federalist ^ | 09/27/2024 | Brianna Lyman

Posted on 09/27/2024 9:07:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

A New York appellate court is raising questions regarding the penalty and the justification under which AG Letitia James brought the case.

Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engoron ordered in February former President Donald Trump to pay an approximate $450 million penalty in a civil fraud case in which there were no victims. Now, a New York appellate court is raising questions regarding the “troubling” penalty and Attorney General Letitia James’ justification for bringing the case in the first place.

James accused Trump of inflating his personal wealth to get better loan terms. Trump, for example, valued his Mar-a-Lago estate at between $427 million and $612 million, Forbes reported. Engoron, however, cited a one-off local Palm Beach County appraiser who valued the property as low as $18 million. Some experts have reportedly valued the sprawling property in the hundreds of millions.

As my colleague Mark Hemingway explained earlier this year, “Trump took out loans over several years, as real estate moguls are wont to do. For him to get approved for those loans, the banks did their own due diligence about Trump’s finances and ability to pay back the loans and decided to give them to him. Trump paid back the loans, and everyone made money.”

Enogoron ultimately ordered Trump to pay $354 million plus an additional $100 million in interest. Trump posted a $175 million bond in April and appealed the ruling.

[READ NEXT: Judge Engoron’s Inflation Of Trump’s ‘Ill-Gotten Gains’ Is The Real Financial Fraud]

Trump’s team argued on Thursday before the New York Appellate Division, First Judicial Department that the case was a “clear-cut violation of the statute of limitations,” and that the statute used to bring charges against the former president ultimately did not justify the action taken.

Throughout the hearing, some of the justices appeared receptive to Trump’s team’s claims regarding the case.

Justice Llinét Rosado questioned how the penalty was calculated. Justice Peter Moulton also asked Vale about the “troubling” penalty.

“The immense penalty in this case is troubling,” Moulton said. “How do you tether the amount that was assessed by the Supreme Court to the harm that was caused here where parties left these transactions happy … ?”

Vale acknowledged the penalty was large but argued “it’s a large number,” in part, “because there was a lot of fraud and illegality.”

Justice David Friedman earlier in the hearing asked Vale whether James had brought any other cases under the same law and circumstances as she brought charges against Trump. He also later contended to Vale that the cited precedence “hardly seems [to] justif[y] bringing an action to protect Deutsche Bank against President Trump, which is what you have here.”

“You’ve got two really sophisticated parties in which no one lost any money, and that was the point of my initial question,” he continued, before claiming “every case” cited as justification instead involved “damage to consumers, damage to the marketplace, [or] a scheme to get unsophisticated consumers to take out home loans.”

Vale argued state statute does not require this, and that “the statute is written broadly because the legislature wants the Attorney General to go in and stop fraud and illegality.”

Moulton jumped in, eventually saying Vale “must address” the underlying question of “mission creep as [the law James used to prosecute Trump] morphed into something that it was not meant to do.”

“[T]here has to be some limitation in what the attorney general can do in interfering in these private transactions … where people don’t claim harm,” he said, asking: “So what is the limiting principle?” (Notably, James campaigned on using lawfare to target Trump, calling him an “illegitimate president.”)

“[T]here are still limits. It is not falsity in the wind,” Vale said. “It has to be related and relevant to the business at hand, and it does have to have a capacity or tendency to deceive.”

Vale continued arguing that the Trump case “does have harm to the public and to the markets.”

But it’s a case that even former Democratic New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo argued should have never been brought in the first place.

“The Attorney General’s case in New York, frankly, should have never been brought and if his name was not Donald Trump, and he if he wasn’t running for president, I’m the former AG in New York, I’m telling you that case would have never been brought, and that’s what is offensive to people,” Cuomo said during a June appearance on “Real Time with Bill Maher: Overtime.”

CNN political commentator Jonah Goldberg made a similar statement in January, saying the “prosecution was a mistake.”

“I think it’s very political,” Goldberg said. “Someone campaigned on an election to do this. It’s an elected judge. It was part of sort of the party machinery.”


Brianna Lyman is an elections correspondent at The Federalist. Brianna graduated from Fordham University with a degree in International Political Economy. Her work has been featured on Newsmax, Fox News, Fox Business and RealClearPolitics.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: appealscourt; letitiajames; realestate; trump
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1 posted on 09/27/2024 9:07:44 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There was no victim. No crime.

Is sanity to be found in this courtroom?


2 posted on 09/27/2024 9:09:28 PM PDT by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has Tish been using this statute to nab other developers?


3 posted on 09/27/2024 9:12:19 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: ifinnegan

Lady Justice is no longer blind to party labels.


4 posted on 09/27/2024 9:12:28 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Considering this has never been used in the history of New York against anyone else you start to wonder if some of these judges aren’t thinking hey this is ridiculous you just went out to get his guy and took a one off appraisal as gospel.


5 posted on 09/27/2024 9:37:38 PM PDT by Lod881019
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump was always going to win this on appeal, and everyone involved knows it. But the point was to score political points with the verdict. They wont care later if it succeeds in Trump losing the election.


6 posted on 09/27/2024 9:42:14 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: ifinnegan

Exactly. Trump and his team applied further loans, the bank reviewed the loan applications, did their due diligence, found the terms proposed to be acceptable and gave the loan. Then, the loan was paid back on time in accordance with the terms, and everyone parted ways happy willing to do business again.

The other “crime“ is thinking that the Mar-a-Lago property was only worth $18 million when the landed is on is probably worth more than that.


7 posted on 09/27/2024 11:52:26 PM PDT by matt04 ( )
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To: SeekAndFind

The real problem is: All 5 Justices are Dems.


8 posted on 09/28/2024 2:53:14 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (mY)
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To: SeekAndFind
NY appeals court kicks Letitia's solicitor's butt
9 posted on 09/28/2024 3:00:29 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: ifinnegan

What, exactly, are the damages? Everyone was paid in full with interest.


10 posted on 09/28/2024 3:31:25 AM PDT by nonliberal (Russia is not my enemy.)
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To: SeekAndFind

To save the reputation of the NY justice system, It’s not enough to to toss out the case. James and her hunchbacked Igor must be disbarred. Further, the judges should order that NY pay Trump’s legal expenses. This case was a gross miscarriage of justice.


11 posted on 09/28/2024 3:32:59 AM PDT by DeplorablePaul
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To: SeekAndFind

If this is upheld, why would anyone ever develop real estate in the state of NY again?


12 posted on 09/28/2024 3:37:06 AM PDT by IamConservative (I was nervous like the third chimp in line for the Ark after the rain started.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In a just world, Letitia and Ergeron would be disbarred, and Trump allowed to sue them for damages.


13 posted on 09/28/2024 3:40:09 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Trump/Vance 2024 or GFY)
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To: ifinnegan

This basic rule of law was used to squash most election fraud lawsuits. It wasn’t that there wasn’t evidence of fraud, but the courts ruled that the complainants had no standing to bring the lawsuits

This lawsuit was even worse as there was no victims to sue for.


14 posted on 09/28/2024 3:57:19 AM PDT by blitz128
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To: blitz128

If the loser of the election had no standing, the other party could cheat and declare victory...oh wait, that’s what happened.


15 posted on 09/28/2024 4:38:43 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: SeekAndFind

Surprising to hear that from a NY State court. One would only expect to hear something like that from a Federal court.


16 posted on 09/28/2024 5:02:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Import The Third World,Become The Third World)
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To: Sirius Lee

IIRC he can sue for damages...unjust prosecution.


17 posted on 09/28/2024 5:03:32 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Import The Third World,Become The Third World)
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To: SeekAndFind

Both Judge Merchan and “Tish” should be disbarred. Period.


18 posted on 09/28/2024 5:10:49 AM PDT by Shady (The Force of Liberty must prevail for the sake of our Children and Grandchildren...)
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To: Shady

Sorry, Judge Eggnog. My bad.


19 posted on 09/28/2024 5:11:26 AM PDT by Shady (The Force of Liberty must prevail for the sake of our Children and Grandchildren...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Banks aren’t in the habit of lending money without verifying collateral value. That’s what gets me. They found one appraiser valuing the property at $18 million, probably using a cost-replacement valuation and not a market valuation.

The fact that any judge allowed this thing to move beyond a hearing is insane.


20 posted on 09/28/2024 6:40:18 AM PDT by Nathan _in_Arkansas (Hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats. )
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