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The Debate Was So Biased It Was Divorced From Reality. Trump Should Refuse To Do Another
The Federalist ^ | 09/11/2024 | John Daniel Davidson

Posted on 09/11/2024 8:21:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

By disorienting and demoralizing us with endless, brazen lies, these ‘debates’ make it even harder for Americans to practice self-government.

Tuesday night during the presidential debate between former President Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris, the fact-checks were flying, but only in one direction. As expected, ABC News moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis were criminally biased, making the debate effectively three-on-one against Trump and practically amounting to an in-kind donation to the Harris campaign.

The lying and gaslighting were so brazen from Harris, and the “fact-checking” from Muir and Davis so lop-sided (they failed even once to push back or correct any of Harris’ obvious falsehoods), that the entire spectacle eventually took on an air of unreality. It was bizarre to see it happening live on the air. By the end, my main takeaway was that the purpose of these debates, besides the media’s obvious goal of boosting Harris and hurting Trump, is to confuse and demoralize the American people by distorting reality and flooding the internet with lies, making it impossible to know what’s true and what’s not.

At one point, Harris recited a litany of the most obvious, thoroughly debunked lies about Trump, from the “fine people on both sides” comment on Charlottesville, to the “bloodbath” remark about the auto industry, to claiming he “incited” the U.S. Capitol riot on Jan. 6. Anyone can go online and check for themselves that these things are all hoaxes; they never happened. But the moderators said nothing.

They again said nothing when Harris lied about her views on fracking, gun control, and defunding the police. Nor did they say anything when she erroneously claimed there are no American troops in combat zones (three U.S. soldiers were killed in a drone attack in Jordan earlier this year, and seven were injured in a raid against ISIS in Iraq last month), that police officers died on Jan. 6, that third-trimester abortions never happen, or that the Trump tax cuts disproportionately benefited the wealthy. On and on, lie after lie.

With Trump, it was of course much different. Muir and Davis routinely inserted themselves into the debate under the guise of “fact-checking” the former president, even on trivial matters, to the point that at times it devolved into a side debate between Trump and the moderators.

But again, media bias is baked in, and wasn’t a surprise. As Megyn Kelly noted, “The person who runs ABC News,” Dana Walden, “is a close personal friend of Kamala Harris,” and the moderators “did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do.” We’ve known all along that Trump isn’t just running against Harris and the DNC; he’s running against a machine that includes the entire corporate press, the administrative state, the intelligence agencies, Big Tech, and even Taylor Swift.

What was different about this debate, though, was how brazen the bias was, how unconcerned ABC seemed to be even with presenting the appearance of journalistic integrity or fairness. It was shocking to see it. And the effect of it isn’t necessarily to move the needle on the election one way or the other. It’s unlikely that anyone, whatever his views, will be persuaded by anything that was said or done during this farce of a debate.

No, the real effect is to erode our ability to function as a coherent polity, to maintain a democratic form of government or anything close to self-government. You can’t do it like this, especially not in our digital era. The lies and distortions and undisguised bias get fed directly into social media, which instantly becomes a feeding frenzy of claim and counterclaim, replete with clips and commentaries that serve only to compound the distorting effect of the debate itself. 

That’s what happened Tuesday night. Corporate media commentators like Chris Hayes of MSNBC declared Harris was “cleaning his clock.” California Gov. Gavin Newsom later used the exact same phrase. Meanwhile, commentators on the right were apoplectic about the bias from ABC and the dishonesty from Harris, and they furiously posted evidence debunking her lies and omissions.

You can’t engage in meaningful debate this way. You need a bare minimum of shared reality for that. The conduct of ABC and the rest of the corporate press is making it impossible, which is why we would be better off without these presidential debates.

If they’re going to be like this, then they’re just contributing to the disintegration of our polity by distorting reality and making political discourse impossible. Instead of a necessary and salutary part of our national elections, they are poison in the bloodstream of our national life. Trump, at least, should refuse to take part in them going forward, and the rest of us should refuse to watch if he does.


John Daniel Davidson is a senior editor at The Federalist. His writing has appeared in the Wall Street Journal, the Claremont Review of Books, The New York Post, and elsewhere. He is the author of Pagan America: the Decline of Christianity and the Dark Age to Come


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2024; 2nddebate; alwaysbullcrapnews; debate; harris; lyinkamala; presidentdebate; prezdebate; trump
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1 posted on 09/11/2024 8:21:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

No...but Fox or nothing...


2 posted on 09/11/2024 8:22:35 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (mY)
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To: SeekAndFind

You know how that would be spun....


3 posted on 09/11/2024 8:23:25 AM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: SeekAndFind

Trump went into a liberal debate, he should now challenge Harris to go to an unbiased or even conservative debate team and see if she stands up to it.


4 posted on 09/11/2024 8:24:21 AM PDT by Mr. K (No consequence of repealing Obamacare is worse than Obamacare)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTTT


5 posted on 09/11/2024 8:24:23 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: SeekAndFind

I think we should be focusing on how Trump won because of his ideas and rhetoric rather than complaining about the moderators. It makes it seem like Trump is a sore loser when he, in fact, won the debate.


6 posted on 09/11/2024 8:24:39 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: SeekAndFind

He should refuse what?

What was his goal? Dis he accomplish it?

People think he was surprised by this. That’s silly


7 posted on 09/11/2024 8:24:39 AM PDT by stanne
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To: SeekAndFind

I stopped watching at 45 minutes and never returned to view further - I know when I see a set up crap show where the crap gets deeper and deeper endlessly. Not worth my time.


8 posted on 09/11/2024 8:25:43 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: SeekAndFind
Trump exposed the Prom Queen as not being Presidential...not even in your wildest dreams.

And don't forget, not a single American has voted for her as a candidate for President. How can that be??

She could have been in all the Primaries...so why wasn't she??

9 posted on 09/11/2024 8:25:45 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (mY)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Debate Was So Biased It Was Divorced From Reality. Trump Should Refuse To Do Another

He should have refused to do even one - why do Republicans continue their Charlie Brown trying to kick the football routine every 4 years? Why are they incapable of learning? Debates moderated by the major networks have been a one-sided, biased farce for decades now, but the geniuses in the GOP keep at it, unable to comprehend reality.
10 posted on 09/11/2024 8:26:07 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: SeekAndFind

True......”We’ve known all along that Trump isn’t just running against Harris and the DNC; he’s running against a machine that includes the entire corporate press, the administrative state, the intelligence agencies, Big Tech, and even Taylor Swift ( Hollywood)....”


11 posted on 09/11/2024 8:28:01 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Kleon
I think we should be focusing on how Trump won because of his ideas and rhetoric rather than complaining about the moderators. It makes it seem like Trump is a sore loser when he, in fact, won the debate.

Presidential debates aren't actual debates - they are opportunities to shape public perception. And the perception being pushed heavily by the media this morning is that Trump lost.
12 posted on 09/11/2024 8:28:16 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Mr. K; gundog; Sacajaweau

ABC News’ David Muir and Linsey Davis spent 90 minutes running election interference for Vice President Kamala Harris by ambushing former President Donald Trump. Rather than addressing soaring inflation, rising gas prices, fake job numbers, and the deadly border crisis, the Bobbsey Twins decided to focus on platitudes while Harris got away with murder — yes, murder.

Not once did Harris have to answer for her border crisis that has left innocent Americans brutally raped and murdered, but then again, she wasn’t the one on trial, Trump was.

Muir tried, for example, to pin Jan. 6 on Trump but conveniently omitted that Trump clearly called for a “peaceful” protest that day.

“Is there anything you regret about what you did on [Jan. 6]?” Muir asked.

Trump was once again put on the defense and forced to spend precious time setting the record straight: All he “did” was give a speech urging supporters to “peacefully and patriotically” “make [their] voices heard.”

But Muir decided Trump’s answer wasn’t yet satisfactory, perhaps because Trump hadn’t said anything that the propaganda press could later use to vilify him.

“It’s a very simple question as we move forward toward another election,” Muir said during his cross-examination. “Is there anything you regret about what you did on that day? Yes or no?”

But if Muir actually cared about “officers coming under attack,” he would have grilled Harris about her support for a fund that bailed out violent protesters during the deadly 2020 riots. Instead, Muir exploited the Jan. 6 protest (during which a Capitol police officer killed Trump-supporter Ashli Babbitt) as an opportunity to toss Harris easy questions to answer while dodging accountability for her disastrous policies and years in office.

Muir and Linsey also spent the night slamming Trump with bogus fact-checks while letting Harris spew already-debunked falsehoods.

“Let’s remember Charlottesville, where there was a mob of people carrying tiki torches, spewing anti-Semitic hate, and what did the president then, at the time say?” Harris asked, claiming that former president Trump said “‘There were fine people on each side’,” Harris said. Here, she once again, as Biden did in his disastrous debate performance weeks ago, “repeat[ed] a long-debunked claim regarding Trump’s remarks,” as The Federalist previously reported. She also falsely claimed Trump said there would be a “bloodbath” if “the outcome of this election is not to his liking.” This, however, was another mischaracterization of Trump’s previous remarks in which he said that the country would fall victim to an economic bloodbath if he were not in office to place a “100 percent tariff on every single car” that is imported.

Muir also let Harris lie about the Supreme Court immunity ruling, late-term abortions, and Trump’s repeated condemnation of white supremacy uninterrupted, forcing Trump to preemptively defend himself against the blatant lies knowing Muir — the judge, jury, and executioner — only cared to “fact-check” Trump.

It was an insulting night: as Americans struggle to choose between putting food on the table or keeping a roof over their head, ABC News’ in-house Harris campaign staffers prioritized grilling Trump about the 2020 election and his flippant comments instead of pressing Harris on how she would bring relief. The moderators oversaw nothing more than a show trial where Trump was forced to defend every word he’s ever spoken while Harris was able to skate past her four years of failure.

But that was the entire purpose: The propaganda press wanted to sabotage Trump’s chances of winning by making him defend trivial issues, creating fodder for the media to malign him while praising Harris.


13 posted on 09/11/2024 8:28:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Kleon
I think we should be focusing on how Trump won because of his ideas and rhetoric rather than complaining about the moderators.

That is a good point. Trump won the "debate".

There is no good reason for Trump to do another one.

The Legacy Media has nothing without Trump appearing at their events, to be cast as the villain. They need Trump much more than Trump needs them.

14 posted on 09/11/2024 8:28:59 AM PDT by flamberge (Vote early and vote often. That is the Democrat way.)
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To: Sacajaweau

No FOX, Trump has already said he would not go along with the moderators suggested to him.

I believe the debates are over for good.


15 posted on 09/11/2024 8:30:14 AM PDT by dforest
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

NBC set the trap.... ABC snapped it.


16 posted on 09/11/2024 8:30:26 AM PDT by caww (O death, when you seized my Lord, you lost your grip on me......)
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To: Mr. K

Let them do a Douglas/Lincoln debate with no moderators or maybe one who will track time between answers and rebuttals. There will be no questions given. Give Harris and Trump a group of subjects and let them at it. It would expose the empty-headed Harris, and force her to expose her radical ideology.


17 posted on 09/11/2024 8:30:27 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: SeekAndFind

Americans’ living standards are being utterly destroyed and American children are being groomed & sexually mutilated en masse.

How many times did Trump mention this? I counted ZERO.


18 posted on 09/11/2024 8:31:21 AM PDT by Trumpisourlastchance
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To: Sacajaweau
And don't forget, not a single American has voted for her as a candidate for President. How can that be??

It can be because the permanent government is no longer changeable by elections.

19 posted on 09/11/2024 8:31:54 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: SeekAndFind

No. Do another debate but be prepared this time. Don’t take the bait, as he did repeatedly. On the very first question she refused to answer whether people are better off than they were four years ago. Right over the plate and Trump whiffed it by not calling her on her failure to answer and going off on a tangent. This could have knocked her off her balance the whole night “Madame Vice President, obviously you don’t want to answer the question, because you didn’t. You’ve claimed to be at Biden’s side for every major decision the last 3.5 years. But your administration’s handling of (list them all) has been a disaster, and Americans are far worse off than they were four years ago. And that’s why you dodged the question just now.”


20 posted on 09/11/2024 8:31:55 AM PDT by j.havenfarm (23 years on Free Republic, 12/10/23! More than 8,000 replies and still not shutting up!)
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