Poland, Ukraine Clash Over Genocide of Poles by Ukrainian Nationalists. ( Nazis)

The National Pulse ^ | 5 Sep 24 | Jack Montgomery

[delta7]

Polish-Ukrainian relations are fraying over the legacy of the Second World War era Volhynia (Wołyń) genocide, in which Ukrainians massacred up to 120,000 ethnic Poles, mostly women and children. The slaughter was instigated by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) in then-German-occupied eastern Poland, in territory that belongs to modern-day Ukraine as a result of Soviet-orchestrated land transfers. However, many of the killers were ordinary Ukrainians armed with agricultural implements who used the German occupation as an opportunity to ethnically cleanse the area to prepare it for incorporation into an independent Ukrainian nation-state.

The Ukrainian Insurgent Army and its leader, Stepan Bandera, are regarded as heroes in Ukraine for their partisan activity against the Soviets and, after initially collaborating with them, the Germans. The Ukrainian government also refuses to recognize the Polish massacres as a genocide, which is an ongoing source of contention with the Polish government, despite Poland’s strong support for the Ukrainians in their war with Russia.

Ukraine’s outgoing Foreign Minister, Dmytro Kuleba, was evasive when questioned on whether Ukraine would comply with Polish requests for the exhumation of Polish massacre victims, implying Kiev and Warsaw should agree to disagree on the subject of the genocide by saying it should be left for historians to discuss.

Polish government ministers have warned Poland will not agree to Ukraine joining the European Union (EU) if the crimes of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. The Poles also have the power to veto Ukrainian accession to NATO.“Poland will decide to close the next chapters of Ukraine’s negotiations with the European Union, so it is better for Ukraine to settle this matter as soon as possible,” said Poland’s Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski.

[delta7]

Yes Johnny, the current Ukie government is full of Neo Nazis….everyone knows this, except for the West.

[VeniVidiVici]

Wow. This sounds like utter bullshit.

Is this a rewriting of WWII history? I don’t think I saw a single time of Soviets or Russian mentioned at all.

[Governor Dinwiddie]

Hitler's death camps were staffed with a small contingent of German SS in managerial positions, and about 80% staff was Ukrainian Police. No group outside of Germany contributed more to the running of death camps than Ukrainians.

[PGR88]

Our business has a Polish supplier, and had 3 of their staff in the USA recently for a business meeting

After some drinks, asked them about Ukraine/Russia

One memorable reply:

“We have suffered by hands of the Germans. We have suffered by the hands of the Russians. But we have never suffered so much as by the hands of the Ukrainians.”

[delta7]

Is this a rewriting of WWII history?
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No Johnny, common knowledge in Poland and the EU, your assignment today is to research the Ukie national hero Bandera….many streets are named after him, and many statues stand in Ukraine.

Extra Credit? Talk to a Pole who survived the Ukie Nazi’s massacre of fellow Poles….

More? Decide if Poland should be given a huge slice of their land that is now a rump nation called “Ukraine “.

[DesertRhino]

You have to be kidding. It’s extremely well documented. Beyond honest debate.

[lightman]

The current Ukrainian National Anthem repeatedly extols “the Cossack Nation”

Do not be deceived1

These are not “nice people”!

[ransomnote]

The attitude of 'ethnic purity' surfaces among those agitating for the Ukraine on Free Republic. Banderas is a hero in the Urkaine- still. They have national parades in his honor. The Ukraine's Azov (Nazi) military was a problem when the Ukraine was asking the United States for endless money, so they incorporated the Azovs into the Ukrainian National Guard. See? No more 'AZOV Nazi' military - they're now called the National Guard!

In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Support for Zelensky/Ukraine is support for Biden/Deep State, cranked wrote:

NEVER GOOGLE ARTICLE 16 OF UKRAINES CONSTITUTION. WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE! https://mobile.twitter.com/REVMAXXING/status/1581441449811267584

 

[rxh4n1]

” The Poles also have the power to veto Ukrainian accession to NATO.”

The Lwów district is worth NATO membership, fair trade. Of course, then you might have Hungary wanting Trans-Carpathia and Romania wanting Northern Bukovina back.

[bgill]

Ok, so the war ended in 70 years ago and lets say the soldiers were 20 years old so, at best, we’re talking about 90 year old bad guys. Otherwise, they’re dead unless the world is going to dig them up.

[dfwgator]

Watch the movie Wołyn. It won’t be an easy watch, I warn you.

[DesertRhino]

Make sure to watch the uncensored longer cut. The Polish government signed of this movie.

[alexander_busek]

Ok, so the war ended in 70 years ago and lets say the soldiers were 20 years old so, at best, we’re talking about 90-year-old bad guys.

70 years ago?! WWII ended in 1954?!

Regards,

[Rockingham]

No, it is true, and there are historically valid grounds for Polish claims against Ukraine.

Early in the twentieth century, both the Poles and Ukrainians were caught between aggression by both Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany. When the Nazis invaded Ukraine in 1941, many of the locals joined up because it was regular pay and they had suffered horribly from the starvation that Stalin inflicted on them in the 1930s. Since Soviet propaganda blamed the starvation of Ukrainians on the Jews, that also helped make the Nazi ideology and service attractive to Ukrainians.

As a result, quite a few Ukrainians were recruited or drafted as laborers for Nazi Germany and as concentration camp guards. Some Ukrainians also ended up in the German army or took up with the Nazis as anti-Soviet partisans. As the Red Army swept west, Ukrainians who had joined the Nazis were in a desperate way, with many fleeing to the West when possible, usually downplaying or hiding their Nazi affiliations to immigrate to the US or Canada.

After the formal end of WW II, a Ukrainian partisan army under the command of a renegade SS colonel even invaded the southeast corner of Poland. They ravaged the countryside demanding cash ransom from the local populace.

I first heard of this from a great uncle who visited from Poland in the late 1960s. He described how Nazi-affiliated Ukrainian partisans gathered up locals from his village into the church before lighting it on fire and machine gunning those who tried to flee. That area of Poland remains devastated and thinly populated to this day.

Another source of Polish claims stems from the peace terms at the end of WW II. As demanded by Stalin, the east of Poland was given to Ukraine as part of the USSR, while Poland got a chunk of Germany in compensation.

Unfortunately, many Poles in the east were simply killed by Ukrainians as the easiest and best way to clear Poles from their ancestral lands in what had suddenly become Ukrainian territory. More than a few of the Ukrainians doing the killing were former partisans affiliated with the Nazis who had blended back into the Ukrainian populace.

Polish claims for compensation are given force today by a sense among many Poles that their losses deserve recognition and settlement because of all that Poland has done for Ukraine after the invasion by Russia. The best and most likely outcome will be a recognition by Ukraine of Polish claims in concept, with apologies and any compensation to be decided by a special commission.

[Does so]

“70 years ago?! WWII ended in 1954?”
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“Sins of the father” revisited today.

[Does so]

Ukrainians in service to the Nazi SS revolted against their superiors in France, killing many.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

I understand that the name 'Russia' comes from 'rus' which was a word that meant Viking.

There was some settlement of the area around Kiev by Vikings, but there was already a large number of Slavs in the area, so the Viking gene pool was never very large.

If a group of Scandinavians managed to keep themselves ethnically isolated, then maybe these ultimately were the source of the Azov brigades who viewed themselves as superior to Slavs.

It would be interesting if a large number of Ukrainians got their DNA inspected. They might have a lot more Slav in them than they would have thought.

[Rockingham]

That is much to the credit of those Ukrainians and to Ukrainians in general. There are cruel times when fighting evil requires not just a high degree of sacrifice but rare, suicidal courage.

[foundedonpurpose]

They are, right down to their flags and the patches on their uniforms. Witch are media stopped showing. Nazi’s to the bone.

[BobL]

“Ukrainians armed with agricultural implements who used the German occupation as an opportunity to ethnically cleanse the area to prepare it for incorporation into an independent Ukrainian nation-state.”

Judging by the UN-reported level of shelling of Donbass just prior to Russia going in, in Feb 2022, I’d say Ukraine was in the process of clearing out the rest of the non-Ukrainians on their soil. Unfortunately for the Ukrainians this time, the Russians living in Donbass (for several hundred years, by the way), had a big brother to the North (and East) that opposed another Ukrainian Ethnic Cleansing attempt. Poland wasn’t in a position to help the Poles trapped in Ukraine back then, so 120,000 dead Poles.