Posted on 09/01/2024 11:37:43 AM PDT by hardspunned
Sound recording of a telephone conversation held on October 28, 1962, between President John F. Kennedy and former President Dwight D. Eisenhower. They discuss dealings with Soviet Premier Nikita S. Khrushchev for ending the Cuban Missile Crisis. [White House Operator?] connects the call at President Kennedy’s request.
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The problem that Ike had (both as a general and later as president) was exactly the one identified by Senator McCarthy—Soviet spies and agents of influence affecting policy within the US government.
I have not read that. I’ll consider that point of view though. I have always liked Ike!
Now play the phone call between General ‘Thoroughly Modern’ Milley and his ChiCom counterpart assuring the Chinese that he, Milley, will give them a heads-up if the Orange Man planned on nuking China.
Ike was a good person who wanted to do the right thing—but he was badly overmatched once he became President:
—The Russians had spies everywhere affecting US policy and were three steps ahead of him.
—The military/industrial complex grew very powerful and learned how to lobby Congress to keep the money and power flowing.
—The CIA grew completely out of control and became a government within the government.
Eisenhower basically admitted the last two had happened in his military industrial complex speech—but as posters have noted here he remained unconvinced of the scope of traitors within his administration.
“No reason why that Island wasn’t invaded and the communists evaporated.”
In the document agreeing to end the CMC it was written that the USA would, in effect, NEVER invade Cuba. In other words, it was open-ended and could not be breached if we did not want WWIII with the, now-dead, ussr. However, the wording is still in effect.
Pre Bay of Pigs the Joint Chiefs of Staff did propose a plan for a full military invasion of Cuba.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
JFK did not approve it.
“Ike was a good person who wanted to do the right thing—but he was badly overmatched once he became President:“
Talking about Trump?
RN being Nixon? Who is his biggest fan and what is cj?
Nor like this...
We had been training thousands of Cuban and Latin young men to invade Cuba. They were in camps all over Florida and that area. What were we going to do with these trained killers if we didn’t go ahead with those plans? Maybe pull the air cover and get them all killed. The CIA got their revenge.
The CIA should have stopped being so clever and played it straight with JFK.
Either invade and go all in or don’t—JFK gets to decide.
It was the Cuban refugees who paid for that bad decision first.
JFK later....
Those Jupiter’s were obsolete.
The issue is what would JFK done to replace the Jupiters?
Obviously the original intent was to upgrade them with better missiles.
JFK was nieve about this too, he said that the outer threat of Communism abroad was the far greater threat of internal subversion at home. He was wrong. They were equally bad.
If you are talking about the Jupiter missiles, when they were deployed the US did not have a dependable ICBM. The Jupiter’s deployment was public. He’ll, I knew about it in 8th grade. The Cold War was real and Soviet expansion was not some Bircher’s delusion. NATO was in no position to successfully resist the Red Army so nukes were the clear option. What the intelligence did not know was that despite successful orbital launches Soviet ICBMs were nowhere near advanced as we thought. The missiles in Cuba were there for the same purpose as ours in Turkey, to deter the other’s using theirs. The major differences were K’s were deployed in secret and while we had no desire or capability of advancing Eastward the Soviets had the desire to advance West, by force if their efforts at political and social infiltration failed.
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I was in the 5th grade in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba when this occurred. It got very interesting after that.
I have yet to see anyone produce any evidence that McCarthy was wrong…
It would help if you would explain some of your posts that don’t make sense.
Not many people today understand that the “Cuban” missile crisis was just a Russian response to the US first placing missiles close to their border in Turkey. Granted this was to offset the numerical superiority of Soviet ground forces, but honesty should still compel us to admit the Russian move in Cuba was a response, not an act of aggression in itself.
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