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At 2 Elite Colleges, Shifts in Racial Makeup After Affirmative Action Ban {Amherst and MIT}
New York times ^ | 30th August 2024 | Anemona Hartocollis and Stephanie Sau

Posted on 08/30/2024 9:50:56 PM PDT by Cronos

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To: strider44

I was rejected by all of the elite schools I applied to. I only got in to one college, now (50 years later) it is semi-elite, but not then.

I was crushed and I was pissed.

But even without computers, elite schools could read my algorithm = no extracurriculars, just reads books, 88.89% class average, 1526 Junior (real) SAT = smart but lazy, weirdo.

I can’t say they were wrong. I did a little work on the weirdo part by a factory job, joined the union, became a summer letter carrier, went to college and medical school, and now I’m an old doctor. I still read books.


61 posted on 08/31/2024 5:52:33 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Jim Noble

Go somewhere. Complete a curriculum of freshman courses

Then as a sophomore, reapply to the elite school


62 posted on 08/31/2024 5:57:49 AM PDT by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
the mission of MIT is to turn out scientists and engineers

That used to be the mission and it would be great if it would return to that mission. But the really lucrative field MIT has directed its attention to is inside the DC beltway consulting and advising. The decline of the technical quality of its graduates say compared to Cal Tech, has been breathtaking over the years, like one of those youtube videos of idiots falling over the edge of a cliff.

63 posted on 08/31/2024 6:02:26 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: FrankRizzo890

“How about Fisk and Tennessee State University?”

That would be interesting to know. And will the leftist media, like the NY Slimes, be wringing their hands if the percentage of white applicants to each school isn’t rising?


64 posted on 08/31/2024 6:05:29 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (“Giving money & power to government is like giving whiskey & car keys to teenage boys” P.J. O’Rourke)
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To: Cronos

It’s more important to see how many graduate than how many enter.


65 posted on 08/31/2024 6:06:38 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting.)
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To: alexander_busek

Actually, that’s about a 70% drop. (~72.7%)


66 posted on 08/31/2024 6:11:55 AM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: FLT-bird
I agree. To the extent that a Trump Administration can use Federal funds to require conservative, traditionalist, and libertarian professors, that would be good. However, the bulk of funding for universities comes from tuitions, the tax-free foundations, and state governments. Some place like Mount Holyoke College, one of the “Seven Sisters”, would be little affected by Federal leverage. Barring the reincarnation of Calvin Coolidge and Henry Cabot Lodge, Sr., I don't see any possibility of Massachusetts enforcing ideological diversity on Holyoke College, Harvard, MIT, etc.
67 posted on 08/31/2024 6:12:38 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: thinden

Thanks for the ping.

This is getting more and more interesting.

The death of DEI will benefit all of us in so many ways. It will definitely benefit race relations in the long run, though it may be fraught in the near term.


68 posted on 08/31/2024 6:13:51 AM PDT by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Cronos

DEI in private colleges should be allowed with the university’s endowment fund paying for every student regardless of race, color or religion.

See how quickly the endowment fund disappears.


69 posted on 08/31/2024 6:37:59 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (They aren't RINO's, they are Democrats. Let's call them what they are and be done with it.)
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To: Cronos

What is important is not the number of minorities admitted but rather the number of minorities that graduate. Run a demographics report showing the percentage of graduates by category, before and after, and a better picture will emerge.


70 posted on 08/31/2024 6:48:03 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (What is the cost of lies?)
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To: RoosterRedux

/bingo


71 posted on 08/31/2024 7:01:16 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: generally

DEI backlash

Ford (F) became the latest company to scale back its diversity, equity and inclusion program, joining several other U.S. firms that have revised their policies amid increasing pressure and online criticism. The automaker will no longer participate in the Human Rights Campaign’s Corporate Equality Index, while it has refocused employee resource groups and is shifting some of its corporate sponsorships. Activist and political commentator Robby Starbuck claimed credit for pushing many companies to modify or eliminate their DEI initiatives, with Lowe’s (LOW) revealing a policy shift earlier this week.


72 posted on 08/31/2024 7:04:16 AM PDT by thinden (buckle up ....)
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To: NonValueAdded
What is important is not the number of minorities admitted but rather the number of minorities that graduate

Why is the number of minorities that graduate important?

And, since you regard it as important, I presume that in Hawaii, New Mexico, California, Texas, Nevada, Maryland, and Georgia, by "minorities" you mean "whites", correct? But that's all residents, including people long past college graduation.

In 2020, whites under 18 became a minority in the whole country. So, going forward, and again since you believe "the number of minorities that graduate" is "important", and since the college applicant pool is mostly under 18, and in that pool whites are a minority, I presume you favor programs to promote white history, white achievements, white role models, and white culture to increase the white minority's graduation rate?

73 posted on 08/31/2024 7:24:31 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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To: Cronos

Wow, 47% of students at MIT are Asian? And they are only 3% of the overall population.


74 posted on 08/31/2024 7:43:55 AM PDT by nwrep
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To: Jim Noble

No,, it is not the number of minorities that graduate, but rather the percentage of minorities admitted that graduate. In short, it is proof of matching the student to the best college that can give them a proper and compete education with the highest probability of success.

Consider, a young black male with mediocre GPA and SAT scores gets admitted to MIT or CalTech based solely on quota. What chance does he have to graduate or even make it to his sophomore year? Quota systems can set up the quotee(?) for failure. Would that person do better in a less challenging school? Probably. And what about the opportunity lost for the student who lost the admissions slot?

What it means is that the admissions staff needs to be a much better job in matching talent to the rigors of their particular institution. Is it good that talented minorities get into the best school possible for their success? Absolutely. I’m all for everyone being the best that they can be.


75 posted on 08/31/2024 8:11:26 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (What is the cost of lies?)
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To: Chode

We used to watch the engineering students at our college. After the first semester, half of them were business majors.

Engineering is equally difficult for everyone.


76 posted on 08/31/2024 9:22:24 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: Vermont Lt

OH Hell Yeah!!!

the Great Equalizer

well, it used to be anyway...


77 posted on 08/31/2024 9:29:28 AM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Cronos

If we went by merit black enrollment at schools like MIT would be zero.


78 posted on 08/31/2024 10:37:27 AM PDT by Diversity Is Our Weakness
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To: ifinnegan; Chode

Thomas Sowell discusses that extensively, how it actually hurts blacks, in his writings on affirmative action. They end up dropping out of a too-hard school when they might have succeeded if they had gone somewhere appropriate.


79 posted on 08/31/2024 12:04:54 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

100% and leaves them bitter about it...


80 posted on 08/31/2024 12:17:56 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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