Posted on 08/28/2024 4:08:48 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
Presidential candidate RFK Jr. suspended his campaign last week and endorsed Donald Trump.
I disagree with Kennedy about a lot. But at least he was willing to talk to people who disagree with him.
In my newest video, we debate.
Kennedy complains that mainstream media won't have him on -- even to argue with him.
"Nobody will. None of them. They won't have me on any of their networks."
"I see why," I reply. "You get into the weeds of vaccine science and we feel not all of it's true."
"If it's not true," Kennedy responds, "then argue with me, or post something afterward."
OK.
Here are three incorrect things Kennedy says:
No. 1: "I was in Dimock, Pennsylvania, watching fire come out of a faucet from fracking. Every home in that neighborhood, they can light up a cigarette lighter under their faucet, turn their faucet on and it'll flame like a lighter. That's from fracking."
No, it isn't.
A leftist documentary, "Gasland," publicized flaming faucets and claimed fracking is the cause.
But it's not.
Water is flammable in many places in America where no fracking is done. It happens because of naturally occurring gas, already in the ground.
Even the director of the EPA during Obama's presidency said, "In no case have we made a definitive determination that the fracking process has caused chemicals to enter groundwater."
No. 2: Kennedy claims many vaccines do more harm than good.
I ask, "If your kids were young now, would you give them the measles, mumps, rubella vaccine?"
"No," he says, "Studies show that kids who get measles as a child are much healthier when they grow up ... resistant to cancers, atopic diseases ... "
I tell Kennedy, "You convinced people not to get the measles vaccine. An outbreak resulted in 83 deaths in Samoa."
"That story is not true," he says. "Nobody died in Samoa from measles."
But the Samoan government and the Lancet medical journal report there were 83 deaths.
Kennedy blames the deaths on bad vaccines, and two babies did die after being given incorrectly mixed vaccines.
But Samoa's response after years of anti-vax messages, was worse: They pulled the measles vaccine.
That's what caused the 83 deaths.
Now, Samoa vaccinates kids again.
No. 3: Kennedy ties vaccines to autism.
"You still say that autism is caused by vaccines?" I ask.
"Yeah," he replies firmly. "Autism is caused by vaccines."
He points to unpublished data presented decades ago by a researcher named Verstraeten.
"They looked at children who got the hepatitis B vaccine during their first 30 days and compared those to kids who got it later or didn't get it at all. There was a 1,350% elevated risk for autism!"
That was true, about the preliminary raw data. But in later analyses of the same data, Verstraeten made adjustments, and the vaccine-autism correlation went away. RFK doesn't trust the adjustments. Even if he were right, the chemical in the vaccines (thimerosal) that Verstraeten looked at was discontinued in vaccines, except flu shots, decades ago.
More thorough researchers have now studied the effects of modern vaccines and found no connection to autism.
One study even looked at every child born in Denmark over 10 years and concluded that the MMR vaccine "does not increase the risk for autism."
"You ignore the big studies," I tell him.
"You have this wrong," he insists.
Finally, Kennedy's critics claim he makes things up.
One told me, "Studies he cites won't show what he says they show. The web is full of detailed explanations of why nearly every study he has cited is bogus or wildly misinterpreted by him."
I didn't find that. I found that when Kennedy cites studies, he cites them accurately.
But he misleads by ignoring bigger, better, more reliable studies.
This does a grave disservice to his followers. Vaccines (most of them, anyway) reduce misery and save lives.
Although Kennedy and I disagree about a lot, I'm grateful that he will debate.
All my career, I've debated people for my TV shows. Debate is one of the best ways to get closer to the truth.
But today, activists and politicians hide from skeptical inquiry. Donald Trump, Vivek Ramaswamy and Robert Kennedy are rare exceptions.
Good for them.
As long as cnn and New York Times are up and running it will be very hard for republicans to win again
That’s my opinion
CNN needs to be held accountable and the people working for cnn also.
I don’t know how though
Well, John, of course Bobby is going to cite studies that
backup his arguments...........why would he do otherwise?
“Authorities” say autism is not increasing. The increased numbers only reflect “increased awareness” and “changing criteria”.
If there is an actual rise, it’s due to aging parents giving birth.
BS.
I’ve always seen Kennedy as a mixed bag of nuts.
There are some things I agree with him on. There are other
things I haven’t really studied, but I’m pretty sure he’s
a few screws short of a full build it yourself dinette set.
I say use the guy on the things he’s sound on, and tell him
you’ll get to the other things about the time hell freezes
over. At least he’ll have gotten some of his agenda across.
He wouldn’t have otherwise.
The dems are scared to death of him.
No, I'm afraid that's not how it works in our blessed "representative democracy." The only people who can, and should, be "held accountable" are the people themselves. Those who imbibe political and ideological propaganda. Those who choose to believe lies. Those who vote on the basis of that propaganda and those lies.
I’m not going to get into the weeds on these particular RFK Jr. examples that Stossel is “fact checking”.
Suffice it to say that governments agencies are thoroughly corrupt and captured by the industries they were created to regulate. Suffice it to say that criticism of those industries and regulatory agencies are being routinely silenced. Suffice it to say that RFK is open to debate and his antagonists are not.
We need to listen to what RFK Jr. has to say and stop censoring dissenting voices - and I think that is John Stossel’s bigger point.
This is why Kamala hides.
If you hide, and say almost nothing, it’s hard to fact check you and it’s harder to tell the world: “She says crazy stuff!” Sure, there is some of that coverage, with her word salads, but the more she hides, the less bad coverage she is likely to get.
But a politicians who sits for an interview? Who debates? Who cites scientific studies backing up his contentions? Oh, you can attack that guy all day! You can refute him! You can say how crazy he is!
The end result is that politicians who hide, and who campaign without policies have a better shot at getting elected.
Stossel pretends to be an neutral journalist but he always strikes me as a secret Democrat. He’ll be voting for Harris.
I beleive him when he says Kennedy cites some studies and ignores other which were better done.
It is a common practice. I see it all the time in medical journals, where they do very bad papers pushing for more regulation of firearms.
The problem is: How do you separate out the good from the bad science? It is not easy. The administrative state has used up all the credibility it had in order to push the agendas they want.
Just because you disagree with a paper's results does not mean the paper is wrong.
That is the problem. As a career scientist, now retired. I can say most papers published today are terrible. A huge number are politically motivated, agenda motivated.
There were standards.
1. Raw data must be published or available. Many papers on contentious issues (Climate for example) refuse to release the raw data. No one should give any credibility to any paper where they refuse to release the raw data.
2. The results should be repeatable. If the results are not repeatable, it is not science.
It has become the "norm" to rely heavily on "models". Many computer models are used to obfuscate rather than illuminate. Models make it easy to influence results by changing model parameters. Models, in general, are a bad way of testing hypothesis. It is much harder to challenge a model than a straightforward comparison of data.
Combine complex models with an unwillingness to publish raw data, and no one should find the results credible.
Hypocritical Democrats did everything they could to keep RKFjr. off the ballot - now they’re doing everything they can to keep him on the ballots in swing states like Wisconsin and Michigan.
They tried to get Cornel West off the ballot - they won in Pennsylvania and lost in Wisconsin.
Does Stossel support the Libertarian platform — where abortion and unmitigated immigration should be a right?
Stossel identifies the desired outcome, and then weaves a path to get there.
Just cause RFK Jr supports Trump doesn’t mean we have to believe his bullshit.
How do you define raw data? By what I consider is raw data, the articles will be book length. Even back in the sixties, when I consider the last time the majority of articles were decent, did not publish raw data.
Just because you disagree with a paper's results does not mean the paper is wrong.The opposite is also true.
The question is: Which one is the lie?...And why?
EVERYONE does it.
The left did it to scam people into taking an experimental medical injection.
yup
If a paper is going to be published as 'scientific' then the raw data doesn't need to be published, but it should be made available. Along with the details behind the collection, sample/s, and validation methods.
If the author's analysis is to be believed, then it should stand the test of additional analysis. There is always the risk that false and/or incorrect conclusions were drawn, hence the phrase, "Lies, damned lies, and statistics."
The author’s #1 point MIGHT be valid.
The #’s 2 & 3, Are weak arguments at best.
For #2, the author had to go to Samoa to prove his point? Not buying it.
Likewise, for #3 in that the data needed to be adjusted to show no correlation to autism.
The Lancet? The same one that's lied about other peer reviewed papers?
I agree with you. And in the same manner their conclusions should not be claimed invalid without the data being examined and record in a publication how the data shows the conclusions are wrong.
The accuser needs to be exposed to the same risk as the original author.
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