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Very interesting. I love reading about conversions that take place during the process of trying to disprove what happened to Jesus. Is the cloth authentic? I don't know. What I do know is that it should be easy to prove a fake.
1 posted on 08/21/2024 5:38:05 AM PDT by Gary from Dayton
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To: Gary from Dayton

No one on earth can prove it covered Jesus. Geez....give it up...


2 posted on 08/21/2024 5:42:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (mY)
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Interesting story. Artifacts of Jesus's should be around today. Lots of things from that time period are.

As to the canard that Jesus was a myth, well, there is far better documentation of His life and actions than even that of Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus, who was Roman Emperor at the time of the crucifixion.

Go into a Classics department at a university and claim that Tiberius was a myth. See what happens.

But if you go into a Religious Studies department and say Jesus was a myth, they will make you the chairman.

4 posted on 08/21/2024 6:02:32 AM PDT by caddie
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To: Gary from Dayton

I agree. I have read extensively about the shroud. If it is a fake it is a very good one! Linen fabric trim 2,000 years ago with mid Eastern pollen and seeds. Anatomically correct signs of crucifixion such as thumbs pulling into medial position of hands. . An interesting fact is there are no written descriptions of a crucifixion in ancient literature. What we know is from modern studies using cadavers. Is the shroud real? I don’t know but it is intriguing.


7 posted on 08/21/2024 6:07:48 AM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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I believe the show about the shroud that I saw on the boob tube about 25 years ago. I’ll never forget it. A couple of experts decided that some guys back in the middle ages decided to prove how easy it was to make a shroud with just a piece of the same kind of cloth and a pizza oven. They tried the same thing. They heated a pizza oven to 375 F, put the cloth over a bust of a Roman guy and let it cook until the parts of the shroud touching the bust turned a golden brown. It was a weird show. Something like you might see on the Kamalala Harris “Joy” Hour.


11 posted on 08/21/2024 6:17:25 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The Banana Voo Doo Queen is putting illegal scumbags on a Free Ride on the American Dream Express.)
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To: Gary from Dayton

Thanks for the article. The Shroud of Turin is one of the great mysteries, although I believe it to be the real thing. I tend to feel like this scientist (although I was already a believer). If there’s no way our modern technology can replicate it, how was it done all those years ago? It’s all fascinating.


12 posted on 08/21/2024 6:17:46 AM PDT by Kharis13
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To: Gary from Dayton
What I do know is that it should be easy to prove a fake.

I think if you asked most skeptics they'd say the carbon-14 testing was the proof, with the argument that if it's not the genuine burial cloth it somehow has to be a fake. There are basically two camps. The first believes it's the actual burial cloth of Jesus and the other thinks it's a forgery. Then there's me. I believe it's a freak natural phenomenon.

14 posted on 08/21/2024 6:18:52 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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"What I do know is that it should be easy to prove a fake."

A team of scientists had round-the-clock, hands-on access to the shroud for 5 days in 1978. The only restriction was their tests could not be destructive to the material of the shroud. They were unable to explain how the image was created.

20 posted on 08/21/2024 6:28:21 AM PDT by Flag_This (They're lying.)
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All they can conclude is the materials are from Jesus time. Is it Jesus’ face? I am not convinced yet.

In any case, if this guy’s endeavor made him believe in Jesus, I can only say, “glory to God!”


25 posted on 08/21/2024 6:36:59 AM PDT by paudio (Liberals teach Whites about guilt and shame much better than Christian churches do...)
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To: Gary from Dayton

BTTT


26 posted on 08/21/2024 6:39:34 AM PDT by nopardons
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The Big Bang, DNA code and Cosmological constants prove God exists. The Bible and Shroud proves Christ was the Messiah and rose from the dead.


28 posted on 08/21/2024 6:50:38 AM PDT by ZULU (Remember: ABBEY GATE, Kate Steinle, Joscelyn Nungary, Rachel Morin and Laken Riley. )
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Lots of skeptics and mockers in the replies.

To me, having read all the books, articles, and being both a Bible/World history and graphics geek....owned largish publishers/printers...yes, plural....it is real until proven a fake.

As Christ commands.....the relentless pursuit of Truth.

BUT it does not matter to me if it is or is not....

“Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.” John 20:29

God has left it not to help us in our belief....but rather to help some in their “disbelief”.

Pax Vobiscum. :->


29 posted on 08/21/2024 6:50:49 AM PDT by Lowell1775
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While we may never know the real origins of the Shroud of Turin, all the analysis with the most modern methods haven’t demonstrated it to be a crude medieval fake or given any convincing explanation how the image was formed particularly with the technology of the reputed radio carbon dating of the 1300s.


44 posted on 08/21/2024 8:47:35 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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Until one has all the available facts, uniformed opinion is worthless:

Welcome to the Shroud of Turin Website - SCROLL DOWN FOR MENU

47 posted on 08/21/2024 10:12:38 AM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: Gary from Dayton

The Lord works in mysterious ways!


52 posted on 08/21/2024 11:34:01 AM PDT by liberalh8ter ( Ephesians 6:10 - 18)
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To: Gary from Dayton; All
AI renditioon


56 posted on 08/21/2024 2:54:21 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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73 posted on 08/24/2024 5:45:43 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14/12 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15/12 - 1030am - Obama team scouts photo-op locations.)
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