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Norway-Supplied Air Defense System Fired Missile That Hit Hospital in Kiev - Russia's UN Envoy
Sputnik Globe ^ | 7/9/2024

Posted on 07/10/2024 3:27:39 AM PDT by wastedyears

UNITED NATIONS (Sputnik) - An air defense missile that hit a children's hospital in Kiev was likely fired from a Norway-supplied NASAMS system, and Russia is waiting for a reaction from Oslo in this regard, Russian Permanent Representative to the UN Vassily Nebenzia said on Tuesday.

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To: OHPatriot
This story reminded me of this, “I shot an arrow into the air, it fell to earth, I knew not where;” by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow.

I shot an arrow in the air, where it lands I do not care; I get my arrows wholesale." by Curley Howard

41 posted on 07/10/2024 7:39:57 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("There should have been an age and risk stratification approach." still true)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

“Somebody’s at least thinking about how to address that problem”

Dealing with the parts problem for anything is difficult but man has always found a way to get around it. An example is the Shahed-136.

Not all components are equal, and some were more susceptible to disruption and more important for the capabilities being targeted.65 Generally, however, there is no exhaust port on the Russian death star. The loss of a critical component will tend to lead to the alteration of the production sequence until a new supply of the component can be found, or it is substituted with an inferior component. his will impose cost and delays, and often impact the reliability of the system when it enters Russian service. But it does not stop the system being made. Two interesting examples highlight this trend.

When Shahed-136 UAVs began to hit Ukraine, it was noted that they had servo motors that manipulated their control surfaces which were built in the Philippines by South Korean-owned company HiTec.66 Pressure was subsequently put on HiTec to stop manufacturing the product. But this did not stop the Russians and Iranians from building Shahed-136s. Ukrainian observers noted that the original servo motors were swapped for Chinese ones, and that these were of inferior quality, causing some Shahed-136s to crash and limiting the acuteness of anoeuvres the aircraft could perform, simplifying its interception by air defence.67 As a result, Russia must launch more Shahed-136s to deliver the same effect, and has less assurance that it will be achieved. In other words, they have learned to jerryrig things but with the increased amount of units, it accomplishes the same goal until they can jerryrig it different or get a source for the original needs for better results. And obviously, less product means being frugal.

They’ll find a way.

wy69


42 posted on 07/10/2024 9:44:15 AM PDT by whitney69
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To: whitney69
They’ll find a way.

And it's our job to get out ahead of them and stop it. Which is the whole point of that RUSI article I posted. It CAN be done, if western nations (i.e. NATO) will put a few sharp project managers on the job, and will break down the "silos" that each country reflexively builds around their intelligence operations.

43 posted on 07/10/2024 11:05:05 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Forgot that I posted that RUSI link on another thread. (administers dope slap to self)

https://static.rusi.org/methodology-degrading-arms-russia-rusi-op-june-2024.pdf


44 posted on 07/10/2024 11:08:21 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: wastedyears

So, did Ukraine or Russia cause the hit on the hospital?


45 posted on 07/10/2024 11:17:34 AM PDT by Reno89519 (I'll go out on a limb: Trump & Gabbard 2024 or Trump & Sanders 2024)
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To: wastedyears
NATO murderers from Norway.

Scum.

46 posted on 07/10/2024 11:27:57 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: tlozo; Right_Wing_Madman; Bulwyf; silverleaf
"Bellingcat"

           

47 posted on 07/10/2024 11:30:35 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

“...that each country reflexively builds around their intelligence operations.”

Whose would you like to break down? If you remember, after deert storm, UNSCUM, whose objective was to track down, seal and break down NBC stocks that Iraq had. The pattern was always the same. They’d identify a location in the sand, set up a reconnaissance team, and go there only to find the place clean enough to eat off. But that’s what yhou heard. Ther was more and is still sensitive.

Between 1991 and 1995, UN inspectors uncovered a massive program to develop biological and nuclear weapons. A large amount of equipment was confiscated and destroyed. Iraq by and large refused to cooperate with UNSCOM and its inspections as mandated by UN SC Res. 687 until June 1992, ten months after deadline, at which time the Iraqi government submitted “full, final and complete reports” on all of its weapons of mass destruction programs. These reports, however, were found to be incomplete and deficient, and at the same time UN inspectors were subjected to harassment and threats on the part of the Iraqi regime.

Wwe still don’t know how much was buried oit there. But to give you an idea, Col. Rob Baker, commander of the 2nd Brigade of the 1st Armored Division, said Friday that the Hunters found 123 pounds of C-4 explosive, 47 rocket-propelled grenades, seven grenade launchers, 3,000 rounds of 7.62 mm ammunition, machine guns, AK-47s and 20 pounds of gunpowder — all neatly wrapped and recently stored in holes dug in a palm grove outside one of Baker’s forward operating bases.

https://www.stripes.com/migration/platoon-finds-major-weapons-stash-including-c-4-near-base-in-iraq-1.6970

“Nuke Parts Unearthed in Baghdad Backyard”

https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=129615&page=1

Soldiers operating south of Baghdad reported finding another dozen weapons caches in searches over the weekend, including one that contained an ominously large string of aircraft bombs.

https://www.stripes.com/migration/soldiers-find-several-weapons-caches-south-of-baghdad-1.55201

I personally talked with a tanker that had a blip while working in northern Iraq and when they challenged the blip, and it did not respond, they fired on it wasting part of it and when they got to it, they found two dozen buried tanks.

Saddam sent his air force to Iran to hide it and they never gave them back.

During the Persian Gulf War, most Iraqi pilots and aircraft (of French and Soviet origin) fled to Iran to escape the bombing campaign because no other country would allow them sanctuary. The Iranians impounded these aircraft after the war and returned seven Su-25s in 2014, while putting the rest in the service of the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force – claiming them as reparations for the Iran–Iraq War. Because of this Saddam Hussein did not send the rest of his Air Force to Iran just prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003, instead opting to bury them in sand. Saddam Hussein, preoccupied with Iran and regional power balance, is reported to have commented: “The Iranians are even stronger than before, they now have our Air Force.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Air_Force

This type of espionage is Dick and Jane compared to today’s operations as it was over 20 years ago workings. So finding the arms and getting sorties out to them is like looking for a needle in a haystack that is running faster than we can see them. They might be at sea, underground, in Russia or Venezuela or Cuba. We won’t find enough to stop them. But as they fly the balloons over the US, we know they’re lookng to.

wy69


48 posted on 07/10/2024 3:12:14 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: whitney69
Not sure where you were going with that, but what RUSI is talking about is much more of the internet kind, I think. Identifying component mfgrs, intercepting comms, identifying middlemen, tracking sales, tracking shipments, und-und-und. Objects of interest being computer ships, precision electromechanical components, high tech materials, that sort of thing. Not that all of it is small stuff - machine tools tend to be bigger than a breadbox, but I know first-hand that Germans can be whores when it comes to selling to embargoed nations via front companies. (It involved Iran in the '00s - don't ask for more.) I was never even a .gov employee, much less a spook, but I worked in large corps long enough to see how various depts hoard information, to gain advantages over each other, (and they are all supposed to be on the same team!) That British and Americans for example would be keeping stuff back from one another would just be human (bureaucrat) nature. That's what I mean by "silos". The sort of thing that allowed 9/11 to happen.
49 posted on 07/10/2024 3:53:54 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: wastedyears

50 posted on 07/10/2024 7:48:12 PM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom the Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

“...Germans can be whores...”

They’ve got nothing on China and Iran. And Russia was working with scrambling information and computer disruption back in the 1970’s.

Plus, another way to look at it is if our government even knew where to start but knew the middle men were in place and deals were, being made to keep the public with their heads in the sand so the public wouldn’t know of any consent by most nations, does it men anything? Welcome to the 21st century.

Nothing is as it seems. And I did work with some special agents during my years in the military, the department of the army, and the DOD. The spooks are just people playing a game the common citizen has no inking what it is or how far it goes. The public is just too busy trying to get someone to admit to UFO’s and to find the best grass or shoot their neighbor. They already have way too much information to process as it is. And they will never know the truth.

wy69


51 posted on 07/10/2024 9:36:09 PM PDT by whitney69
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To: whitney69
An anecdote I've recounted before: Colleague of mine returned from a long period TDY in China, and among other things told me that the Chinese don't even have a word for ethics. But why would they? It's a European Christian concept, and I'd say today that it didn't reach Russia, either.

And I learned a new-to-me acronym last month, listing reasons why people betray their country: MICE.
Money
Ideology
Coercion
Ego

UFOs? Don't get me started....

52 posted on 07/11/2024 3:29:41 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Very good. I can name one of their people in three:

A = arrogant
S = self important
S = scumbag

Might be a little more to the point with the rest of it:

H = haughty
O = overbearing
L = lowly
E = egotist
S = SOB

Hope that covers it.

wy69


53 posted on 07/11/2024 11:21:24 AM PDT by whitney69
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