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Live thread [05/30/2024]: Trump show trial in New York, brought to you by Obama-Biden operative Matt Colangelo; post comments here
Andrew Giuliani ^ | Sidebar Mod

Posted on 05/30/2024 6:51:54 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator

Edited on 05/30/2024 6:53:08 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Deliberations resume this morning, after Merchan rereads instructions back to the jurors. Thoughts?


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: colangelo; hushmoneytrial; judgemerchan; merchan; stormydaniels; trump; trumppersecution
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To: Sacajaweau

Totally bizarre. Raincoats and umbrellas and inferences drawn that it rained during the night. What a joke. We’re talking about a criminal trial with a man’s liberty hanging in the balance. And this county is talking about metaphors?


122 posted on 05/30/2024 9:13:30 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sacajaweau; All
Again

Pecker also testified Trump called him about the plan to pay off McDougal, and after Pecker urged Trump to pay McDougal to cover up her allegations,

Trump responded, "I don't buy any stories...Any time you do anything like this, it always gets out."

he couldn't be clearer...

AND he did NOT sign the Stormy Daniels NDA.

123 posted on 05/30/2024 9:14:19 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sidebar Moderator
I'm trying to figure out how to apply this metaphor
124 posted on 05/30/2024 9:17:37 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Nervous Tick

The guy who was with Cohen when Trump supposedly agreed to pay off Stormy Daniels. The guy in jail. Don’t remember his name.


125 posted on 05/30/2024 9:20:37 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

something like Alan Weiselburg?


126 posted on 05/30/2024 9:21:16 AM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: Sacajaweau
And he did not make the accounting entry. Nothing suggests that he even was aware of this.

How many CEOs are at risk of a zealous Bragg?

127 posted on 05/30/2024 9:22:00 AM PDT by Reno89519 (Build the Wall, Deport Them All. No amnesty for anyone.)
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To: janetjanet998

AS I understand it, the instructions don’t allow them to dismiss Pecker’s testimony because he has not been shown to have lied. If it’s a question of whether to believe Pecker, or to believe Cohen, the jury has to take Pecker’s word over Cohen’s. Right?

Thank you so much for summarizing this way, Janet.


128 posted on 05/30/2024 9:23:27 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Steven W.

I saw what you did there.


129 posted on 05/30/2024 9:23:43 AM PDT by mware
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To: butterdezillion; Reno89519
People can and do change their minds. They also say things in the middle of a heated battle that they later regret.

Then they should acknowledge it and apologize to this whole board.
130 posted on 05/30/2024 9:24:16 AM PDT by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Prediction: If there is a hung jury, there will be a movement to punish holdout jurors — not just by doxxing them, but also with legal action.


131 posted on 05/30/2024 9:24:23 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Prediction: If there is a hung jury, there will be a movement to punish holdout jurors — not just by doxxing them, but also with legal action.


132 posted on 05/30/2024 9:24:23 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: butterdezillion

I should have said “Who else but those same, damaged witnesses would be called BY THE PROSECUTION in a new trial?”.

The guy you’re talking about IIRC is the Trump Organization CEO (I don’t recall his name either). During the trial it was implied that the prosecution didn’t WANT to call that guy — he’d be beneficial to the defense.

There are quite a few other witnesses the DEFENSE might call... starting with the ones that Merchan wouldn’t allow them to call. And maybe that guy in jail that you refer to would be of benefit to the defense.


133 posted on 05/30/2024 9:25:44 AM PDT by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

You see the video of Biden yesterday when he yelled out “Hello Philadelphia!” His dentures started to fall out of his mouth.


134 posted on 05/30/2024 9:26:43 AM PDT by mware
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To: rx

Very true.


135 posted on 05/30/2024 9:28:19 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: brookwood

I still don’t get how Trump can be charged with falsification of records when he had nothing to do with those records. All he did was sign the checks.


136 posted on 05/30/2024 9:28:33 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Reno89519

Have the accountants themselves testified? They are the ones who allegedly did the deed, not Trump.


137 posted on 05/30/2024 9:29:56 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Nervous Tick

The guy is in Rikers right now, at the control of the prosecution. You have to know if he testified for Trump life could be made very uncomfortable. He is not in a white collar cell but Rikers.


138 posted on 05/30/2024 9:31:20 AM PDT by mware
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To: Nervous Tick

The guy in jail...Jeannine Pirro said the Prosecution had control of him...and didn’t call him for a reason.


139 posted on 05/30/2024 9:33:36 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: ridesthemiles

He told Trump he owed a pollster some amount ($50,000?) so Trump paid Cohen that amount but then Cohen only paid the pollster $20,000 and kept the $30,000 for himself.

I think it ended up being $60,000 Cohen stole, but the point is that Cohen played fast and loose with what he billed Trump, versus what he SAID the bill was for. All behind Trump’s back, without his knowledge or involvement.


140 posted on 05/30/2024 9:34:27 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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