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Interest payments on the national debt are exploding
Washington Examiner ^ | April 16, 2024 | Jon Miltimore

Posted on 04/19/2024 9:08:59 PM PDT by HogsBreath

In 1797, a year after revolutionary France abolished paper money following a disastrous inflationary experiment, U.S. President John Adams delivered a warning on government debt.

“The consequences arising from the continual accumulation of public debts in other countries ought to admonish us to be careful to prevent their growth in our own,” Adams told Congress.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


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National debt currently tops 35 trillion and it is increasing by 1 trillion every 3 months. I would like to hear some serious ideas on what will happen as the debt races higher and higher. Is it reasonable to foresee 'hair-cuts' on peoples savings? Nationalization of IRAs? Bank holidays and bank closings?
1 posted on 04/19/2024 9:08:59 PM PDT by HogsBreath
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To: HogsBreath

It’s just a way to confiscate the wealth of the masses, to make them dependent upon the state. It’s diabolical.


2 posted on 04/19/2024 9:14:42 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth me, just .because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: HogsBreath
I think that the currency will entirely lose value, and have to be replaced. In the course of this process, the debt will be written off.

I can't see any alternative. Many other nations have done this, from the 1920s until now. Governments, ultimately, do not pay their debts.

But the US is a superpower. It would cause much turmoil, and the US dollar will no longer be the world's reserve currency.

3 posted on 04/19/2024 9:19:26 PM PDT by BlackVeil ('The past is never dead. It's not even past.' William Faulkner)
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To: HogsBreath

DUH!

Compound interest is the friend of savers and the nemesis of debtors....whether individual or collective.


4 posted on 04/19/2024 9:27:39 PM PDT by lightman (I am a binary Trinitarian. Deal with it!)
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To: HogsBreath

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5 posted on 04/19/2024 9:28:17 PM PDT by sauropod (Ne supra crepidam)
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To: HogsBreath

>> Is it reasonable to foresee ‘hair-cuts’ on peoples savings?

Of course! Inflation will take what the government doesn’t rob.

>> Nationalization of IRAs?

They have talked about it. Wealth taxes too.

>> Bank holidays and bank closings?

Not sure about that; the big banks are vital for the State to exercise its financial power. Regional and local banks may suffer though.

Here’s another one for you: what will happen to local (i.e. non-federal) governments when inflation goes through the roof and/or the fedgov begins their thieving? States and locales don’t have a printing press and can’t commandeer the citizens’ wealth. Most state and local government can’t raise taxes beyond incrementally without voter approval. But they CAN take your suddenly inflated real estate if you can’t pay your property tax...

fasten seat belts for rough landing...


6 posted on 04/19/2024 9:42:31 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: BlackVeil

Write downs and/or defaults are never happening.

The alternative and certain future is spending freezes, tax hikes and inflation.

No reasonable substitute for the dollar even exists despite the insanity.

The winner of the dog show is still a dog.


7 posted on 04/19/2024 9:45:49 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: Jonty30

>> It’s diabolical

Sure is!

Bunch of white rural ragemongers whose life savings and assets have been incenerated... forced off their property... not much to live for... still have plenty of guns and ammo though.

What could go wrong??!?


8 posted on 04/19/2024 9:46:37 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...": ISLAM is the problem!)
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To: HogsBreath

Maybe Speaker Johnson can fix this?


9 posted on 04/19/2024 9:48:29 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BlackVeil; HogsBreath

The present USA has the same Debt/GDP ratio (125%) as the country had at the end of WWII.

Of course, at the end of the WWII, Federal Govt sharply reduced its expenditures. At the same time, the Federal Reserve kept interest rates low, so inflation ate away at the nominal debt. At the same time, by 1956, Eisenhower had balanced the Federal budget. The national debt finally dropped to about 25% of GDP in 1980 - 35 years later

Its now very different from 1956. In 2024, we have not fought a world war, the world is slipping out of America’s control, Washington DC is controlled by neo-marxists and kleptocrats, and Americans are hooked on welfare and government spending of all forms. There will be no fiscal discipline whatsoever.

The likelihood is for very high inflation, until some sort of jarring social/political either starts us on the road to discipline, or finishes off the Republic


10 posted on 04/19/2024 9:57:47 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Paladin2

Fox, Hannity, Gingrich, et al. refuse to mention the Debt and the corrosive effects of the debt when discussing all their holier than thou spending.


11 posted on 04/19/2024 10:04:23 PM PDT by OakOak (Misinformation Campaign on your TV)
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To: HogsBreath
American Taxpayers Are Now Slaves to Interest Payments - 11/28/2023 Heritage Foundation EXCERPT:

Interest on the federal debt is now so immense that it's consuming 40% of all personal income taxes. The largest source of revenue for the federal government is increasingly being devoted to just servicing the debt, not even paying it down.

The problem is getting worse daily . . .

US national debt tracker for April 12, 2024: See what American taxpayers (you) owe in real time

Thanks to a combination of high inflation, rising interest rates and unrelenting growth in the national debt, interest payments are expected to triple from nearly $475 billion in fiscal year 2022 to a stunning $1.4 trillion in 2032.

Given that the left refuses to cut spending on wasteful communist-socialist pogroms and too many politicians overall refuse to cut spending on pork . . .

Some time within the time-span of mid 2027 on up to mid 2029, all of personal income taxes will be paying all of the interest on the national debt. None of personal income taxes, will be paying down the national debt.

With that in mind, along with the bottlenecks, chokepoints, and roadblocks created by government bureaucratic regulations, weighing heavily on what American producers can/might do . . .

12 posted on 04/19/2024 10:08:32 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: PGR88

That’s interesting, it’s the same with tax revenue as a percent of GDP vs spending as a percent of GDP.

They collect 15-20% of GDP since WWII

for years on end they’ve spent over 25% of GDP.

Also of interest-

In Japan, the interest payments on the national debt account for a significant portion of the budget. As of 2023, these interest payments consume approximately 22% of the Japanese national budget.

We’re nowhere close to that, yet I never read of the certain doom of the honorable Japanese and the Yen.


13 posted on 04/19/2024 10:09:16 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: Paladin2
Maybe Speaker Johnson can fix this?
Spkr Johnson is preoccupied in sending $Billions to the Ukraine and our MIC.
14 posted on 04/19/2024 10:24:19 PM PDT by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TThose look good)
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To: Nervous Tick

As long as they have food, history says nothing will go wrong.

If starvation becomes a thing again, everything is in perfect order for violent revolution-or exactly what the Marxists have been shooting for for over 100yrs now.


15 posted on 04/19/2024 10:31:28 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: Freest Republican
We’re nowhere close to that, yet I never read of the certain doom of the honorable Japanese and the Yen.

I'm unable to give a complete answer but, will give below points:

Japanese yen is not the worlds reserve currency.

Only 16% of forex trades are in Japanese Yen vs. 88% for US Dollar - and most of that trade involves Japan itself or its international assets

70% of Japanese debt is monetized by its central bank, and most of the remainder is bought by large Japanese banks and funds. This is a quirk of highly homogenous Japanese society

Japan is still a huge holder of foreign assets (the USA is the opposite). Any defaults will only be within Japan, not to the rest of the world.

So for these reasons, Americans and Europeans generally have zero interest in Japan's financial issues

Because it buys most of the debt, the Japanese Central Bank specifically suppresses yields on Gov. Bonds. Japanese 10 year gov. bond is still only 0.84% (it was <0.5% only a year ago)

japan debt/GDP is indeed huge - 260%, but that's why its central bank MUST suppress interest rates. Its caught in a trap.

It didn't matter until recently, as the EU had negative interest rates and USA itself was close to zero. Now rates have risen elsewhere and the Japanese Yen is slowly crashing - Yen is at 30 years lows

Japan inflation, while reported low by Govt, is nonetheless also at 20 years high

IMHO, Japan's debt crisis is having grave effects on its society - the country is literally depopulating, as young people can't afford and see zero reason to have children.

16 posted on 04/19/2024 10:42:50 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

I appreciate you taking the time.

The carry trade may have been a time saver.

I agree with the end and have posted as much several times.

Japan and it’s importance in the world has been constantly diminishing. It’s sad. As I really believe Japan will be annexed by another country at some point in I’ll go with the next 150yrs.

But hey the Nikkei finally recovered from 1989 recently and they may run a budget surplus shortly!


17 posted on 04/19/2024 10:59:06 PM PDT by Freest Republican (This space for rent)
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To: HogsBreath; All

Where’s Captain Obvious? You don’t have to be a math wizard to see the numbers growing and have predicted this years ago.


18 posted on 04/19/2024 11:22:36 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn’t common anymore)
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To: BlackVeil

Is there any other way to write off 100s of trillions in debt?


19 posted on 04/19/2024 11:57:23 PM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes.)
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To: HogsBreath
In recent decades, the debt has near doubled about every eight years.

At a population of ~333M, it takes 3 dollars from every man, woman, child and alphabet person to collect $1B. It takes $3,000 from each to collect $1T. x35, it takes $105,000 each to collect $35T. Or for each family of four, $420,000. In short, it will never be paid off and there is no intent to pay it off. The debt may increase exponentially until it spirals out of control and essentially becomes worthless.

Inflation acts like a tax on all currency, whether in a savings or checking account, or under your mattress. If a dollar used buy two cans of beans, and now buys one can of beans, the can of beans did not change, the dollar devalued to be worth one can of beans.

https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/datasets/historical-debt-outstanding/historical-debt-outstanding

9/30/1982 ... $1,142,034,000,000.00

9/28/1990 ... $3,233,313,451,777.25

9/30/1998 ... $5,526,193,008,897.62

9/30/2006 ... $8,506,973,899,215.23

9/30/2014 ... $17,824,071,380,733.82

9/30/2022 ... $30,928,911,613,306.73

9/30/2023 ... $33,167,334,044,723.16

20 posted on 04/20/2024 12:14:58 AM PDT by woodpusher
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