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NATO personnel already in Ukraine for arms control, intelligence operations and military training (NATO already assists Ukraine in virtually every possible aspect)
El Pais ^ | 3/18/24 | Christian Segura

Posted on 03/18/2024 7:57:47 PM PDT by hardspunned

Emmanuel Macron broke the taboo in February. NATO already assists Ukraine in virtually every possible aspect, from supplying weaponry and intelligence on Russian targets and the positions of enemy bombers to training thousands of Ukrainian troops in Europe. But until the French president suggested it, no one had dared to raise the question of Atlantic Alliance soldiers going into action to stop the Kremlin’s invasion. Macron not only opened a debate; his words also served to confirm that there are already military personnel from NATO countries on Ukrainian soil, albeit without taking an active role in combat operations.

Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski told a conference in Warsaw on March 8 that there were already representatives of the Atlantic Alliance in Ukraine. “NATO soldiers are already present in Ukraine. And I would like to thank the ambassadors of those countries who have taken that risk. These countries know who they are, but I can’t disclose them. Contrary to other politicians, I will not list those countries,” Sikorski said. The last sentence was a veiled criticism of German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

(Excerpt) Read more at english.elpais.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: bidenswar; defundnato; escalation; euimperialism; killkillkillforpeace; nato; ukraine; undeclaredwar; whatconstitution; worldwariii; ww3
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Just more confirmation of what everyone has known for ten years. Notice the snarky backbiting among the Euroweenie “allies”. Pavel, now there’s a fine “ally”, a former communist stooge for the Soviets.
1 posted on 03/18/2024 7:57:47 PM PDT by hardspunned
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To: hardspunned

In Vietnam they called them “advisers.”


2 posted on 03/18/2024 8:00:02 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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To: hardspunned

“NATO already assists Ukraine in virtually every possible aspect”

I STILL REMEMBER the warmongers here claiming that the US wasn’t in Ukraine.

LOL, like Ukraine had a prayer of fighting Russia without US intelligence (and much more)!


3 posted on 03/18/2024 8:01:58 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

NATO in open (further admitted) combat/ support roles just before the 2024 election. /shiny side out

That way we gotta keep Democrat Joe Biden as our wartime pResident.

See? Easy-Peasy!

Yay Joe!!


4 posted on 03/18/2024 8:25:23 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: hardspunned
Christian Segura wrote: albeit without taking an active role in combat operations


5 posted on 03/18/2024 9:08:12 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Odessa doink?)
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To: BobL
The other day, they had to airlift the dead German and American NATO guys from Pokrovsk to the sites of the various "training accidents" in Western Europe.

Good thing it's still pretty cool on the Ukraine Eastern Front, so's they didn't get "ripe" before transport...

6 posted on 03/18/2024 9:13:54 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Odessa doink?)
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To: hardspunned

Thank you, Captain Obvious.


7 posted on 03/18/2024 9:14:50 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: kiryandil

I would REALLY like to know just how much freedom our boys have to say “no” to these ‘informal’ deployments to Ukraine, and if they do have that freedom, then what the hell is wrong with them?


8 posted on 03/18/2024 9:38:34 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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To: hardspunned

Do you think WW3 will start soon?


9 posted on 03/18/2024 9:51:30 PM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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To: BobL

Orders is orders.


10 posted on 03/18/2024 9:54:20 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Odessa doink?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Does sound like Vietnam. First comes the special advisors. When that’s not enough then comes boots on the ground.


11 posted on 03/18/2024 9:54:48 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: hardspunned

When Colonel Macgregor said that NATO had those forces in the Ukraine, the Ukrainian propagandists went nuts insisting he was fabricating etc. Macgregor said that NATO was the command structure and everyone else with boots on the ground in battle was Ukrainian.

Putin bombed a bunker at one point and some reported that was a deep bunker full of NATO advisors. At that time there was a hunt for anyone ‘missing’ from the NATO fold. For awhile, there were some people unaccounted for but I stopped watching to see if they ever turned up, or turned up with injuries.

But the US has soldiers there. First, there are the ‘volunteers’ who are allowed to ‘resign’ from the military, go to the war zone in the Ukraine, and when the return they rejoin. See? Technically not ACTIVELY US troops. I recall hearing about a US military medic who was killed in the fighting. There was a video clip of her when she first went to the Ukraine saying how she just wanted to do what’s right etc. She was a medic in an ambulance which was bombed.

There are also US troops required to operate complex equipment the US gives the Ukraine. And frankly, since Biden’s history of graft/moneylaundering/extortion there, along with his ‘biolab’ there, OF COURSE he would send troops, even black ops, and lie about it.


12 posted on 03/18/2024 10:07:03 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: SaveFerris
First there was OBama....

 

 Vol.#157 04-27-19

[H/T outofsalt]

Ukrainian Lawmaker Admits in Recording That Government Agency Linked to Soros Was Helping Hillary Clinton in 2016 Election

(excerpt)

The Russiagate affair began with documents released by groups funded by billionaire activist George Soros, it now emerges. Now it is clear that under Barack Obama, the U.S. Embassy in Kiev worked closely with Soros-related groups to compile opposition research on the Trump campaign.


13 posted on 03/18/2024 10:20:40 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: hardspunned

I hope Russia refrains from killing any Ukraine people and instead kills ALL NATO members in Ukraine. /spit


14 posted on 03/19/2024 3:33:20 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: ransomnote

Z’s FR PR corps will still deny this. Every day these stooges lecture me that there was never an Istanbul peace settlement. You can’t reason with them. I’m getting less and less inclined to waste my time with them.


15 posted on 03/19/2024 3:39:23 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: kiryandil

Yep. This source generally just parrots the Western propaganda. I was shocked to this amount of reality published by them.


16 posted on 03/19/2024 3:42:15 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Mark17

WWIII has already started. This is WWIII’s phony war. The Russian offensive is about to begin. To quote Nixon, the West “will have to $hit or get off the pot” this spring. It appears they are about to do the former and to also throw their results into the fan.


17 posted on 03/19/2024 3:49:01 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

Mercenaries are the scum of the earth. Murderers for hire.


18 posted on 03/19/2024 3:50:20 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: hardspunned

same here


19 posted on 03/19/2024 4:19:05 AM PDT by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: hardspunned

I’ve read that the high number of French soldiers coming home in body bags forced Macron to (all but) acknowledge his troops were in Ukraine.


20 posted on 03/19/2024 4:24:33 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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