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How will the Ukraine war end? Only when Vladimir Putin is toppled
The Guardian ^ | Sat 16 Mar 2024 | Simon Tisdall

Posted on 03/17/2024 4:48:42 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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1 posted on 03/17/2024 4:48:42 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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When Putin presses the red button to launch those nukes, I really hope The Guardian is one of the first targets. /spit


2 posted on 03/17/2024 4:51:19 PM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Even if Vlad Putin were to be toppled, you would have to hope the next guy to take over wouldn’t have visions of reconstituting the old USSR.


3 posted on 03/17/2024 4:51:37 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (Pets are no substitute for children)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The zeepers could only wish.
The Ukraine and the ukrainiacs are being sifted.


4 posted on 03/17/2024 4:54:01 PM PDT by SheepWhisperer (Get involved with, or start a home fellowship group. It will be the final church. ACTS 2:42-47)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It can end in more than one way.


5 posted on 03/17/2024 4:55:08 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Western Intelligence Ukraine Propaganda Article

6 posted on 03/17/2024 4:55:36 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: EvilCapitalist

Everyone in the wings is worse than Putin.


7 posted on 03/17/2024 4:58:29 PM PDT by MattMusson (Sometimes the wind bweek.lows too much)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The British tabloids have consistently been the most deranged, misinformation-producing propaganda outlets on the Ukraine war. It’s delusional to imagine that the war is simply a product of Putin alone and that it will stop if he is eliminated, but the Brits seem to be swallowing their own propaganda.


8 posted on 03/17/2024 4:59:31 PM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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We’ll fight until the last Ukrainian. Ukraine is being decimated demographically, financially, and materially. The median age of a soldier is 42. Zelensky has faced huge resistance trying to lower the draft age from 27 to 25. Many young men have fled the country.

How long will the Ukrainian people tolerate sending their husbands and sons to the meat grinder? For what purpose? To achieve a better negotiating position?

Putin just got re-elected. Even if he were removed, Russia would never agree to give up Crimea or tolerate Ukraine as a member of NATO. And how many more billions must we borrow to give to Ukraine?


9 posted on 03/17/2024 5:01:43 PM PDT by kabar
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The Guardian is trash, run by deluded leftist children.


10 posted on 03/17/2024 5:05:08 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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And again.

The senior Ukraine officers are classmates of the senior Russian officers. 20-30 yrs ago they studied at the same universities in Russia and went to the same military adjucts at those universities. These are classmates of decades.

A time will come when the Ukraine military will remove Zelensky, execute all MI6 and CIA operatives in Kiev, contact their classmates and arrange to install a military junta in Kiev. This govt will have no agenda beyond technocracy. They will exist to keep the lights on and trains running. They will send all their troops home to their families. They will not join the EU or NATO. Pure technocracy, and they will even promise elections in X years.

It will be an overwhelming Russian victory, which will be reported as a Russian defeat since the govt in Kiev will be Ukrainians and the Russian troops will withdraw from anywhere that has not already voted to be a part of Russia.


11 posted on 03/17/2024 5:05:40 PM PDT by Owen (.)
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At least they are finally admitting the whole thing is a color revolution meant for regime change so the globalists can come in and steal all Russia's resources.

I am looking at you, György Schwartz.


12 posted on 03/17/2024 5:06:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is █████ ██ ████ ████████ █ ███████ ████. FJB.)
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The Ukrainians were naive to believe Clinton and the US in the’90s about security guarantees when they gave up their nukes after the fall of the USSR. If they had nukes now, there would be no invasion. But that’s neither here nor there - we are already squandering billions of taxpayer dollars on Ukraine, and we can’t do this forever. Nor will we actively work to overthrow Putin. This is Western Europe’s problem far more than it is ours - if Germany and France want to step up and fund Ukraine’s defense, more power to them.


13 posted on 03/17/2024 5:07:52 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Secret Agent Man

Like when the US money stops coming


14 posted on 03/17/2024 5:09:23 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: MinorityRepublican

Does that mean that, when they run out of Ukranians, they will use somebody else up?


15 posted on 03/17/2024 5:09:30 PM PDT by Jonty30 (I may not know as much american history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

O have read that the Ukranian nukes were not usable to the Ukranians if the had tried to keep them after the Soviet fall. True?


16 posted on 03/17/2024 5:11:15 PM PDT by desertsolitaire
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They had the codes in Moscow. So the Ukrainians would have to find a way to crack the codes. If they did that, the West was going to sanction Ukraine for keeping the nuclear weapons.


17 posted on 03/17/2024 5:14:53 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Your information is in error.

The Soviet weapons on Ukraine territory were functional only with the activation codes that existed only in Moscow. Additionally, those nukes required enormous maintenance the expertise for which also existed only in Moscow.

All parties globally wanted those weapons sent to Moscow before some accident occurred and killed 10s of 1000s of Ukrainians.

Bottom line — Ukraine never had those nukes. They resided on Ukraine territory but had no use there. They did not send them to Russia in return for any sort of promises. They sent them to Russia in order to get rid of them before they killed people.

And the point is all moot. That material in those nukes has decayed by now and is no use to anyone.


18 posted on 03/17/2024 5:15:00 PM PDT by Owen (.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The war will end when Ukraine has no one left to fight it.


19 posted on 03/17/2024 5:16:51 PM PDT by roving (Deplorable Listless Vessel Trumpist With Trumpitis and a Rainbow Bully)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“Western Intelligence Ukraine Propaganda Article”

Absolutely.


20 posted on 03/17/2024 5:19:28 PM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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