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Macron ‘panicked’ over leaked Ukraine reports – Marianne
The Press United ^ | March 13, 2024

Posted on 03/13/2024 12:05:58 PM PDT by Kazan

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To: BenLurkin

And owning the land. No Ukrainians means free land.


21 posted on 03/13/2024 12:36:46 PM PDT by Jonty30 (I may not know as much american history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: Steely Tom; Timber Rattler

“Thanks for that. Good work !”

Except the original article was from France and was not created by the Kremlin.


22 posted on 03/13/2024 12:36:55 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner; Timber Rattler
Timber Stooge is still butt-hurt from Quikkie Haley folding up her presidential campaign tent.


23 posted on 03/13/2024 12:36:55 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Krynky doink?)
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To: HamiltonJay

Z only cated about his yachts and billion dollar bank account.


24 posted on 03/13/2024 12:38:27 PM PDT by Jonty30 (I may not know as much american history and law as I like, but I know more than most liberals.)
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To: Mariner
This article provides a link to the original French source.

...which is a fringy magazine that fails to show any of the supposed actual reports themselves as proof...and expects readers to just take its word that they exist. Riggggght....

Do you have evidence this is false information?

So you want me to prove a negative? That onus is on you and the OP. So where are those reports?

25 posted on 03/13/2024 12:41:50 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: Mariner; Steely Tom; Timber Rattler; Kazan; C210N; wildcard_redneck; HamiltonJay; Jonty30
Except the original article was from France and was not created by the Kremlin.

I guess we've forgotten that Timber Rattler is well-known for posting Ukrainian propaganda, and never retracting it when it turns out to be a fabrication...

Russian missile turns Ukrainian market into fiery, blackened ruin strewn with bodies

The Associated Press ^ | September 6, 2023 | MSTYSLAV CHERNOV

Posted on 09/07/2023 3:33:12 AM PDT by Timber Rattler
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4180637/posts

26 posted on 03/13/2024 12:41:53 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Krynky doink?)
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To: Timber Rattler; Mariner

See my post #25, snek.


27 posted on 03/13/2024 12:42:20 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Krynky doink?)
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To: Kazan
I've not found the actual "leaked documents" this article relies on - but I will address at least one claim in the article -

They supposedly debunked the "meat grinder" warfare - yet that is exactly what Russia has pursued: 1 - Their WW2 warfare form is to literally level towns and cities - whether or not they are holding Ukrainian military or not - they just flatten cities - civilians and all.

2 - Avidvka saw between 500 -1000 Russians lost on the battlefield nearly every day of the several-month-long effort by Russia to take it. This isnt' "Western opinion" - it's well (and easily-documented) reality.

Russia doesn't care that it is churning soldiers (many of which are not particularly well-trained) like chum. You throw enough bodies at something, you eventually wear down those trying to defend a city. Between the growing scarcity of ammunition (and to a lesser degree, weapons systems) and Russia's seemingly endless meat supply (between their own mass mobilizations as well as multiple mercenary units...

All of this - yet I do agree - the idea of a Ukrainian military victory seems like a rather fleeting idea. Russia has 75+ years of military hardware stored for such a time as this (they simply don't every get rid of weapons or ammunition - unlike the West that insists on constant upgrade/replacement and disposing of the "old"). you show enough 1950-1960's era tanks and artillery into the mix - it still gets the job done when in overwhelming numbers.


28 posted on 03/13/2024 12:50:33 PM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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To: Mariner
Except the original article was from France and was not created by the Kremlin.

Yeah, a fringe magazine, but Russia Today is the outlet spreading it all over the place. Note the tags and sourcing at the bottom of the 'Press United' article posted here.

March 13, 2024 at 03:49AM
RT

Guess what the 'RT' stands for.

29 posted on 03/13/2024 12:55:02 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: Kazan

As Project Ukraine collapses, the globalists are becoming completely unbalanced.


30 posted on 03/13/2024 12:59:29 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: kiryandil

LOL at “Quikkie Haley”

I’ll remember it if she ever shows up in politics again...


31 posted on 03/13/2024 1:00:58 PM PDT by grey_whiskers ( The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Timber Rattler; Mariner
Have you ever disavowed your "Russian missile turns Ukrainian market into fiery, blackened ruin strewn with bodies" post, which turned out to be false?

Nope.

32 posted on 03/13/2024 1:03:29 PM PDT by kiryandil (what Krynky doink?)
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To: Timber Rattler; All

“So you want me to prove a negative? That onus is on you and the OP. So where are those reports? “


Everything that Regime War Supporters and Glowies have claimed about this war has turned out to be fake / wrong !

We have finally disposed of the claim that Western/NATO troops are not operating equipment in Ukraine (via the German Military phone call leak)

And now people like you say “there is no evidence” that the French Military has done an obvious analysis of the situation on the ground ...


33 posted on 03/13/2024 1:19:04 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Kazan

Many folks including myself have been saying this since the start of the conflict. Russia was ALWAYS going to win this war, no matter what the West contrived.
US funding is not about this conflict, it’s about something else that no politician will talk about.
Eventually the truth will out and we’ll find out the true purpose of all the money sent to Ukraine.
Nobody is saying this, but the money is being gifted, not loaned. We’ll never get that money back, and we’re borrowing this money from Communist China. It will have to be paid back by future generations of Americans, children not yet born.
This is insanity, especially since everybody knows that Russia is going to prevail in the end.
This is not about Vladimir Putin. Any Russian leader would do exactly what he’s doing, regardless of the ‘feelings’ of Western liberal elites.


34 posted on 03/13/2024 1:30:30 PM PDT by Thapsus_epiphany (Socialism is a prison, Communism is a death camp )
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To: Kazan

bttt


35 posted on 03/13/2024 1:33:13 PM PDT by linMcHlp
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To: Timber Rattler

If you only get your news from western approved sources your are woefully uninformed. But go ahead, Ukraine is wining there.


36 posted on 03/13/2024 1:36:07 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Timber Rattler

“So you want me to prove a negative? That onus is on you and the OP. So where are those reports? “

I didn’t vouch for the veracity of the report, nor did I insist it was true.

Yet you cast aspersions on the sourcing and never provide a shred of evidence it’s not true.

In other words, you’re just spewing bullsh!t.

Which is to be expected from a chickenhawk.


37 posted on 03/13/2024 1:42:19 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Timber Rattler

But is it true?

As per usual ‘shoot the messenger’ is your “intellectual””argument”.


38 posted on 03/13/2024 1:52:36 PM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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To: Timber Rattler
Putin can stop it right now by stopping all attacks against Ukraine and pulling all his troops back into Russia.

Timber Rattler comes out as a perfect tool 
to parrot The Principles of War Propaganda #3!

Russia is responsible

39 posted on 03/13/2024 2:16:48 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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Putin isn't going to stop until Ukraine agrees to stop its attack on Russian Federation territory.
40 posted on 03/13/2024 2:44:14 PM PDT by Kazan
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