[Lurker]

“Same thing all of us want.”

Incorrect. More than a few want Ukraine destroyed and make no secret of it. I know a couple of Ukrainians and they’re fine people. They’re sad and angry about what’s been done to their country and I don’t blame them for that one single bit. I know people who lost family members in The Holdomor and to the Gulags. They hate Russians with a totally understandable passion.

The jerkoffs around here who have been openly cheering Putin disgust me. He’s no good guy and he’s not the Guardian of Western civilization. He’s a murderous criminal thug.

That doesn’t mean I’m a fan of Zelenski, either. The only way he differs from Putin is in scale. They’re both crooks and killers.

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[JonPreston]

I know a couple of Ukrainians and they’re fine people. They’re sad and angry about what’s been done to their country and I don’t blame them for that one single bit. I know people who lost family members in The Holdomor and to the Gulags. They hate Russians with a totally understandable passion.

Their country? Tell them that once they come to America, their country is America, not the Ukraine. We're in a fight here and could use their help.

[Lazamataz]

I understand -- even empathize -- with your position, but I'd counter with two points:

1. Life is inherently unfair, and many people have fallen victim to tyrants and thugs. We must pick our battles, one of which should be "can we prevent (or recover from) becoming a tyranny here in America?"

2. Our direct involvement in Ukraine reminds me most of Russia's direct involvement in Cuba in the 1960's. The level of provocation in both acts is very high due to both areas being in such close proximity to the homelands of each country, respectively.

I feel for the Ukrainian people, but I also feel for the many downtrodden populations over the course of history.

[dforest]

I am going to say this one more time. I do not like this proxy war ignited purposely by Biden. He dumped on the troops and people that helped us in Afghanistan. He got soldiers killed and he left over 80 billion in weaponry behind because he was in a huirry to get it going in Ukraine.

The neocons knew that wanting to park it on the Russian border in Ukraine was going over the red line. The US has been meddlng in that country since it became it’s own country for just this time.

I think it is disgusting that Ukrainians are being used to further a US/NATO desire. I have nothing against those people. They do not even get a vote to get rid of Zelensky and vote for someone who will end it.

I am aware of who Putin is. I am also aware that he is a moderate compared to a lot of them in that country. Replacing him may get someone far worse.