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To: Lurker
I understand -- even empathize -- with your position, but I'd counter with two points:

  1. Life is inherently unfair, and many people have fallen victim to tyrants and thugs. We must pick our battles, one of which should be "can we prevent (or recover from) becoming a tyranny here in America?"

  2. Our direct involvement in Ukraine reminds me most of Russia's direct involvement in Cuba in the 1960's. The level of provocation in both acts is very high due to both areas being in such close proximity to the homelands of each country, respectively.
I feel for the Ukrainian people, but I also feel for the many downtrodden populations over the course of history.
35 posted on 03/11/2024 5:55:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Laz 2005: "First, we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.")
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To: Lazamataz

“We must pick our battles, one of which should be “can we prevent (or recover from) becoming a tyranny here in America.”

How many effing times do I have to say it? Of course I’m more concerned about what’s going on here. But a few of us can walk and chew gum simultaneously. Anyone who thinks Putin is going to stop at Ukraine is a fool just like anyone who thought Hitler was going to stop with the Sudetan.

“Our direct involvement in Ukraine reminds me most of Russia’s direct involvement in Cuba in the 1960’s.”

An apt comparison. I’ve been tired of America playing Armed and Dangerous International Pizza Guy for over two decades. But that doesn’t mean I have to like what’s going on over there. My friends have family over there still. It’s tough to watch them go through this. They’re actually Russian speakers from the “disputed” areas and they hate Russians with a passion I’ve never seen before.

They were kids when the Soviets ran Ukraine. Family members vanished without a trace, press ganged into the the Red Army, standing in hours long lines for toilet paper or bread. Some mighty long memories over there.

So I can sympathize. Add that to the fact that my dad is a two tour Nam vet who was on the receiving end of Russian weaponry back in the 60s and you can see why I have no love for Russians.

L


46 posted on 03/11/2024 6:11:14 AM PDT by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: Lazamataz

Your comparison to the Cuba missile crisis is a good one. I’d hope a Trump47 administration would QUIETLY offer Ukraine some kind of stipend in exchange for verifiable information on EVERY US government official, or family member of same, who was paid for any purpose. It shouldn’t be out loud as a frightened Republican cohort would absolutely participate in a new impeachment, including compromised R senators. But ALL such compromised politicians need to be prosecuted.


59 posted on 03/11/2024 6:43:36 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves.)
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