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Russians have started using drones with fiber optic cables
Army Recognition ^ | 3/8/24 | Army Recognition

Posted on 03/08/2024 1:30:13 PM PST by hardspunned

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To: Saintgermain

Generally between 8 and 10 um for a single mode optical fiber. With outer cladding it’s variable.


41 posted on 03/08/2024 4:34:27 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: buwaya

“The US and Europe (but especially the US) have sufficient hardware to give Ukraine.”

OBVIOUSLY the people who know more than you or I don’t agree with the above as the LAST THING they want is Ukraine to lose, just before the 2024 election...which is what it’s now looking like.

So, I’ll defer to them - they OBVIOUSLY got in over their heads, and now it’s simply damage control.


42 posted on 03/08/2024 4:46:05 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: buwaya

“The “neocon” term is wrong.”

Take it up with Wikipedia, the have a picture of Nuland right on their Neocon Page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

You may have opinions, but some things are FACTS, regardless of whether you approve of them.


43 posted on 03/08/2024 4:48:10 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: delta7

TOW missile engines must have a LOT more power than battery-powered drones.


44 posted on 03/08/2024 4:48:13 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Occupy your mind with good thoughts or your enemy will fill them with bad ones.” ~ Thomas More)
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To: buwaya

“What you should be talking about...”

Don’t need to, but now they kicked Nuland out on her ass, I hear that there is a VERY high-level opening at State, so perhaps you send your resume there?


45 posted on 03/08/2024 4:49:26 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: BobL

I am VERY retired. I have suffered the consequences of many years of stress. I have had offers for consulting gigs (SCADA systems), but I would rather live, no matter what they want to pay me.

And that’s what you SHOULD be talking about in re this subject, the nitty gritty of modern warfare. Any political chieftain, whatever their views or agendas, eventually has to call on a pool of professionals with their understanding of the needs and current methods. Its those professionals that build the equipment pools, institutions and organizations in peacetime.


46 posted on 03/08/2024 4:56:25 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BobL

Nuland doesn’t run wars (or she is wrong to micromanage them if so). There are professionals for that.


47 posted on 03/08/2024 4:57:45 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: BobL

They do. The entire US stock of 155mm and HIMARS for instance is properly forfeit. The US has no need for that under the circumstances. There is no forseeable military need for that stuff other than shooting at Russians.

I doubt very much that Ukraine can lose before Nov 2024.


48 posted on 03/08/2024 5:00:28 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Gaffer

Thank you very much, I was sure that one of the members of FR may have the answer. FR certainly is a great site.


49 posted on 03/08/2024 5:01:44 PM PST by Saintgermain
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To: buwaya

“I am VERY retired.”

Assuming you’re not a high school kid (which is possible here), unless you retired from the Joint Chiefs withing the past 5 years, then you know EXACTLY as much as I do regarding the state of US readiness to fight a major world power, which is NOTHING (and if you did retire from the Joint Chiefs, instead of being here, you’d be on CNN trying to convince the country that Ukrainian ‘victory’ is just around the corner...at least if we give Zelensky another $61B in pocket change)

So, I ONLY look at actions and motivations...and the ACTION is to end this nightmare BEFORE the election, and even Europe agrees, as they could give Zelensky the $61B tomorrow and use it to buy whatever US weapons were available and give it to Ukraine...but they have chosen otherwise also.

So, it’s over, the US is defeated and that is EXACTLY the reason we should have NEVER picked a fight with a superpower without getting ready for it...and we did NOTHING to prepare, other than beat our chests and have Drag Queen Parades.


50 posted on 03/08/2024 5:11:29 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: hardspunned

There can be some advantages. But the disadvantage is with that 10km cable. The drone operators become sitting ducks. Anyone operating around the long cable is put at risk.

But yes the battlefield dynamics are changing. If Putin wants to beat America he would try to get a bunch of agents snuck in the US to use such devices and do plenty of sabatoge. Of course the US leaders like Biden are aware of this & if they want to keep America safe they have long secured the borders extremely well.

That last part is sarcasm. Biden has been a disaster.


51 posted on 03/08/2024 5:12:54 PM PST by Degaston
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To: buwaya

“There is no forseeable military need for that stuff other than shooting at Russians.”

AGAIN - go to the Pentagon and TELL THEM. Being on this site and trying to run the US military just makes you look silly.


52 posted on 03/08/2024 5:13:17 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: buwaya

“Nuland doesn’t run wars (or she is wrong to micromanage them if so). There are professionals for that.”

If they didn’t spend 2 hours every morning dressing like women, I might agree with you, but this is NOT the military you claim to be familiar with - otherwise Ukraine would either be halfway to Moscow by now (as it was during Iraq 1), or the Neocons would have NEVER been allowed to start this war.


53 posted on 03/08/2024 5:15:01 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: hardspunned

The drone version of the old wire- guided middles from the 60’s.


54 posted on 03/08/2024 5:20:15 PM PST by tballard56
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To: BobL

Er, the Russians started this war. And that one in 2014. Their guys crossed the Ukraine border, not the other way around.

And I assure you that the lads at the Pentagon don’t dress like women. They privately do the eye roll and shut up, because that @#£% is political.


55 posted on 03/08/2024 5:20:43 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: EEGator

Have you seen some of the footage with drones dropping grenades? It freaking unbelievable. Crazy how war the battlefield has changed.


56 posted on 03/08/2024 5:23:22 PM PST by cornfedcowboy ( )
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To: buwaya

“Er, the Russians started this war.”

Kind of tough to have an adult discussion here when you parrot Neocon Talking Points. It’s been discussed PLENTY here, and I’m not interested in being spammed on the issue anymore...so have a good evening if that’s all you’re left with.


57 posted on 03/08/2024 5:23:53 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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To: cornfedcowboy

A bunch. I was surprised how effective it was.


58 posted on 03/08/2024 5:25:09 PM PST by EEGator
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To: BobL

Talking point?
It’s a fact. Who were those green men? Whose tanks entered Donetsk?


59 posted on 03/08/2024 5:30:10 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

“Talking point?
It’s a fact. Who were those green men? Whose tanks entered Donetsk?”

Have a good evening, and by the way your credibility on ALL OTHER CLAIMS is now in question here.


60 posted on 03/08/2024 5:32:07 PM PST by BobL (Trump gets my vote, even if I have to write him in; Millions of others will do the same)
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