Russian Warship destroyed. Kerch bridge out

Youtube.com ^ | 3-5-2024 | The Enforcer

[bert]

I saw it and was severely criticized for noting the connection .

The Axis of Evil War Crimes supporting Freepers denied the Russian/ Iranian/ Hamas/ Hezbollah/ Houthi alliance. They applaud the Russian and Iranian crimes against humanity as they abet the perpetrators in Ukraine, Israel and the Red SeaT

[Chad C. Mulligan]

What do you think "Moscow's Empire" would look like?

Did you REALLY ask that question? Do you know NOTHING of the thankfully defunct Soviet Union? Incredible!

[Reily]

What would Moscow’s Empire look like?

The borders of pre-1914 Imperial Russia if they can get it.

[AndyJackson]

It’s an ironic question because you Zeepers have no actual clue about anything,. You are so besotted with your Ruzzia propaganda that you forget our most significant security threat our open border and the collateral attempt to destroy our culture from within. Lose that battle and it really doesn’t matter what Ruzzia China and Iran do.

[Chad C. Mulligan]

Containing Moscow and closing off illegal immigration are not by any stretch of the imagination mutually exclusive. It would be almost trivial to stop illegal immigration cold, without any additional funding, but the O’Biden administration won’t do it, for political reasons. In fact halting the immigration flood would probably show a $urplu$, since the current policy of handing out plane tickets, cellphones, bus fare, and prepaid debit cards is costing a bundle. So funding for Ukraine and Israel doesn’t hurt the proper management of the border situation in the least. If you think it does, it’s because propaganda has influenced you, and you need to start thinking rather than just reacting. (Or maybe you actually WANT the immigrants to be funded?)

[BroJoeK]

blitz128: "what did they get for 65 million, not trying to be confrontational or disputing your facts, but a 76mm gun, a few machine guns and can launch missiles, and was sunk by a few USVs."

I'm pretty sure there are a lot of really smart people -- here, in Russia and elsewhere -- studying questions like that very carefully.

By my count Sergey Kotov had a 76 mm naval gun, two heavy machine guns, plus two automatic grenade launchers.
Why was that not enough to fend off Ukraine's kamikaze drone boats?
Here's a guess: maybe Russian radar couldn't see the little Ukie boats in the dark?

blitz128: "Perhaps more of indication of where current naval doctrine is read battleship vs carrier"

Even the carriers themselves were always vulnerable to submarines, plus land-based aircraft and artillery, which is why they always wanted to stay as far out to sea as possible, and why they need constant escorts.

So, turns out that neither the US nor UK use Corvette-type ships in the 1,800 ton range, but who does are the Germans, their Braunschweig-class corvette, a nice looking boat.

Notice that it has two RAMS, two heavy machine guns and lots and lots of radar plus other sensors.
And they cost around $400 million to build, which is comparable to our own Little Crappy Ships, and a lot more than the alleged $65 million for Sergey Kotov.

[gleeaikin]

Apparently you are unaware that for the past century, and perhaps much longer, Russia’s pattern has been to conquer or occupy a territory, move many of the residents out, often to Siberia, and then move ethnic Russians in. This for example is what has happened in Crimea. Lots of Crimean residents moved out, and Russian real estate thieves and elderly retirees seeking warmer winters have moved in. Perhaps someone else has more details on the Ukrainians from Crimea and their actual fate—killed, transported away by Russia, fled to Ukraine or Turkey, etc.

Thus Russia always moves in Russians and then says, of course they have a right to protect their Russian speakers. For example RUssia now has Kaliningrad, which once was part of East Prussia. My grandparents left there around 1890 to become Americans, but we had relatives fleeing across the Baltic by sled in the middle of winter during WW2. I was told an relative was Mayor of Korningsburg (sp?) in the time of my grandparents or great grandparents. So now, the many Prussian Germans have left, and the Russians have been moved in, so of course Russia has a right to control and “protect” them. Yeah!

[blitz128]

Good info, imagine close in air and navel drone defensive weapons will get a much closer look now

[Chad C. Mulligan]

Crimean Tatars and Russification

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/crimean-tatars-and-russification

“.....But in 1944, Joseph Stalin formally ordered the deportation of the entire Crimean Tatar community (roughly 200,000 in number), falsely accusing them of collaborating with the Nazis. Stalin’s government forcibly loaded most onto freight cars bound for Central Asia, where they were to be resettled. Reports suggest that nearly half of the deported died during the ordeal. Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, and Canada have all formally recognized Stalin’s brutal deportation as a crime of genocide or cultural genocide.

During this same period, the Soviet Union adopted a policy of “Russification” for the peninsula. Crimea was “Russified”: Any study of the Tatar’s native language was banned, ancient Tatar names were erased, Tatar books were burned, and their mosques were destroyed.

The next chapter in the saga occurred in the 1950s when Nikita Khrushchev transferred Crimea from Soviet Russia to Soviet Ukraine, ostensibly for administrative reasons. Tatar families were formally permitted to return to Crimea in 1967, and a few hundred families did over the following decade. They began moving back in larger numbers during the 1980s and 90s. In fact, by 1991, more than 150,000 Tatars had returned. But after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Crimea was suddenly a part of a new, separate country, to which several prominent Russian politicians vehemently objected.

Tatar fortunes took yet another dark turn when Russian forces moved to occupy Crimea in 2014. The occupiers immediately began a campaign of persecution against the Tatar community, “outlawing” the Crimean Tatar representative body (the Mejlis) and shutting down a Tatar television channel. The State Department subsequently has cited numerous human rights violations against the Tatar population, including torture, disappearances, and psychiatric abuse. Moreover, since the Russian occupation in 2014, about 10% of Tatars have fled to mainland Ukraine. Many of them have settled in Kherson—another Ukrainian city currently under threat by Russian forces.

[BroJoeK]

"Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Although even the Romans eventually forgot....."

"If you want peace, prepare for war"

I'm nearly certain the old Romans never forgot that, because in the Western Empire they kept fighting up until almost the very end.
For example as late as 461 AD, the Emperor Majorian had restored most of the Western Empire before he was assassinated at age ~35, and after which the West soon collapsed.

But Rome's basic problem relates to us today, which is: as early as 284 AD, under Diocletian, they kept temporarily splitting the empire into two or more sections, in the theory that just one emperor, with only one capital, couldn't handle everything.

Well, that was just wrong and stupid because as soon as they split into two or more empires, then they had more wars and civil wars among them which were not only hugely destructive internally, but also made them all ever more vulnerable to external invasions.

So, as late as 395 AD, the old empire was fully restored under one emperor (Theodosius I) in one capital (Constantinople) and one Roman Army of still roughly 300,000 men (some estimates are higher).
As such the old empire could still deal with all of its issues.

But in 395 AD, Theodosius I died and the empire split permanently in two, with the East getting well over half the population and economic assets, while the West got well over half the existential problems.
And the two sides did not always help each other out, sometimes just the reverse.
As a result, lacking support from the East, the West fell to barbarians in 476 AD, while the East, lacking support from the West, was slowly defeated by anti-Christian forces beginning around 600 AD.

So, one major Roman Empire lesson for us today is that, had the East and West remained united, they could have prospered together and defeated every challenge indefinitely.

Of course, we are not the old empire, we are just an alliance of western style constitutional democratic republics, but the lessons from history are just as valid today as they were millennia ago.

[AndyJackson]

I am just sitting here admiring your lecturing town and basking in the glow of you moral and intellectual superiority and utter lack of a sense of irony.

It’s a marvel to behold.

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

“I am just sitting here admiring...”

Many Freepers admire the extensive content and summantion of your Comments.

[bimboeruption]

>“I am just sitting here admiring...”

Many Freepers admire the extensive content and summantion of your Comments.<

Zeepers admire zeepers.

And Brandon DEEPLY ADMIRES zeepers.

[blitz128]

Yes the muscovites have an interesting way of thinking and of history, move, deport, murder, enslave local populace, move their folks in and then claim some kind of historical mandate

They even had a commercial(weird one) with two Russians soldiers discussing where the would live in “Ukraine”

[Allegra]

Well played. 😁

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

“As a result, lacking support from the East, the West fell to barbarians in 476 AD, while the East, lacking support from the West, was slowly defeated by anti-Christian forces beginning around 600 AD.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Although even the Romans eventually forgot.....”

“If you want peace, prepare for war”

So, one major Roman Empire lesson for us today is that, had the East and West remained united, they could have prospered together and defeated every challenge indefinitely.

Of course, we are not the old empire, we are just an alliance of western style constitutional democratic republics, but the lessons from history are just as valid today as they were millennia ago.”

Thank you for your comment.

I appreciate viewing our world today from this historic perspective.

[JonPreston]

explain in detail

American tank does not perform in Ukraine.

A US-supplied M1 Abrams tank was recently destroyed in Ukraine by a single shot from Russia’s T-72B3 tank.

It was the third Abrams to burn.

An expert explained that “it’s necessary to hit the Abrams’ area between the turret and… pic.twitter.com/TNG9BsHOXy— Make Peace Now; alternative news (@AlternatNews) March 8, 2024

[BroJoeK]

Chad C. Mulligan: "the USA has a profound interest in halting the reconstruction of Moscow's empire."

AndyJackson: "We do?
What do you think "Moscow's Empire" would look like?"

This map shows the old 1914 Tsarist Russian Empire.
Notice that it includes all or parts of:

1. Finland (NATO member)
2. Estonia (NATO member)
3. Latvia (NATO member)
4. Lithuania (NATO member)
5. Poland (NATO member)
6. Belarus (NATO Partner for Peace)
7. Ukraine (NATO Partner for Peace)
8. Moldova (NATO Partner for Peace)
9. Romania (NATO member)
10. Georgia (NATO Partner for Peace)
11. Armenia (NATO Partner for Peace)
12. Azerbaijan (NATO Partner for Peace)
13. Turkmenistan (NATO Partner for Peace)
14. Kazakhstan (NATO Partner for Peace)
15. Kyrgyzstan (NATO Partner for Peace)
16. Tajikistan (NATO Partner for Peace)
17. Uzbekistan (NATO Partner for Peace)

Then there are countries of the Old Soviet Empire Warsaw Pact which included all of:

1. East Germany (NATO member)
2. Poland (NATO member)
3. Czechoslovakia (NATO member)
4. Hungary (NATO member)
5. Romania (NATO member)
6. Bulgaria (NATO member)
7. Albania (NATO member)

AndyJackson: "How much of the effort to expand Russian legal jurisdiction to surrounding Russian speaking areas is the result of the US trying to arm those areas to cause the collapse of the Russian federation."

That sounds like a vodka-besotted Russian fever-dream from Russian regions where temperatures were below freezing this morning.

So, I don't think any legitimate court on earth would allow "Russian paranoia" as a legal excuse for Vlad the Invader's conquests and murders in Russia's neighboring countries.

AndyJackson: "Turns out that their weak about to collapse culture is a whole lot more resillient than we imagined."

Sorry, but nobody outside Russia's borders cares a whit about "Russian culture" -- Russkiy Mir -- so long as Russia's military stays inside Russia's internationally recognized borders, so...

• If the Old Soviets wanted to be officially atheist murderers, then fine, that's their choice.
  
• If the New Russians want to be good Russian Orthodox Christians, then fine, that's their choice.
  
• And if they wish to pretend Christianity while still being Old Soviet atheist murderers, that's their choice too -- nobody outside Russia cares in the least.

So long as Russians keep their military inside their own borders, they can do whatever the h*ll they want with their own Russkiy Mir culture.

AndyJackson: "Our globalist geniuses imagined culture does not even matter and began a process of undermining our own so that Americans would fit into the glboal managerialist structure "they" all imagined for us."

Presumably this refers to such things as "Woke", "DEI", "CRT", "1619", gender-bender, pornography and child sexual mutilations in schools... what did I leave out?
All of that is politically driven and will effectively end once balance is restored to politics, hopefully beginning November 5, 2024.
Who exactly these "globalist geniuses" might be or what exactly is a "glboal managerialist structure" I don't think can be defined without frequent refuge in afore mentioned Vodka bottles.

AndyJackson: "We are in the midst of a cold civil war ourselves while the Russians seem to be doing just fine in that regard."

So far, Russians have proved remarkably obedient to their Kremlin masters.
My guess is this results from the Kremlin carefully dividing Russia's population up among those loyalists who are treated well and protected from brutal military service versus those ethnic non-Russians considered less worthy, and so become Russian Army "Meat Wave" cannon fodder in Ukraine.

AndyJackson: "Because of our strategic misdirection we cannot even defend our genuine vital interests - keeping sea lines of communication open for international trade."

US DDGs anti-missile and drone defense:

Actually, for many years now the US has tried to turn responsibility for maintaining safe sea lanes, against pirates & terrorists, over to our allies and friends -- since all of them have vastly more interest in international trade than we do.
Among major nations the USA is dead last in our percentage of economic dependence on international trade -- roughly 25% versus, for examples: Japan which is 50% and Germany at nearly 100%.

Today, around the Red Sea the US and UK provide area defense picket ships, while other countries like France and Spain escort ships through the Bab El Mandeb {drink!}.

AndyJackson: "We put our efforts into trying to become an Asian land power rather than strenthen our maritime security.
Our force strucutre is all wrong, we are globally overextended..."

All of that is 100% nonsense.
Here's the truth: The sole, exclusive purpose of the US Navy is to deter war by being able to destroy the naval powers of CCP Xi-snake's China, Vlad the Invader's Russia, Little Kim's NoKo and the Moolah Mullahs' Iran, simultaneously.
As those navies are rendered harmless, the US Navy maintains the ability to land US Marines on islands in the Philippines, Palau, Taiwan, Yaeyama Japan, Inchon or anywhere else that might prove necessary.

So, are we now "overextended"?
That depends 100% on the nature and intentions of our potential enemies, most notably today, China.
And a case can be made, based on sheer numbers, that things are starting to get a little... ah... uncomfortable, vis-a-vis China.

However, that is only if we compare our worst against their best, and even then, only if we ignore our own allies & friends.
When we add to our numbers those of friendly Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Singapore, Vietnam, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Thailand and India, then CCP China's sheer numbers don't look all that impressive after all.

AndyJackson: "...and we are so overextneded at the bank that the cost of rebalancing our forces will only be within our capability if the world will allows us to print even more money - at their expense - to pay for it."

There is no doubt the US financial condition is serious, and needs to be seriously addressed both short term and long term.
However, things are neither desperate nor irreversible, yet.
If we begin taking effective actions next year, our economy and our dollar will be just fine.

One reason is because, in economics like most other things, we don't have to be perfect, we only have to be better than our potential enemies, and so far, we still are, regardless of what our Russkiy Mirovichs here might claim.

[AndyJackson]

:This map shows the old 1914 Tsarist Russian Empire. Notice that it includes all or parts of: Finland (NATO member) Estonia (NATO member) Latvia (NATO member) Lithuania (NATO member) Poland (NATO member) Belarus (NATO Partner for Peace) Ukraine (NATO Partner for Peace) Moldova (NATO Partner for Peace) Romania (NATO member) Georgia (NATO Partner for Peace) Armenia (NATO Partner for Peace) Azerbaijan (NATO Partner for Peace) Turkmenistan (NATO Partner for Peace) Kazakhstan (NATO Partner for Peace) Kyrgyzstan (NATO Partner for Peace) Tajikistan (NATO Partner for Peace) Uzbekistan (NATO Partner for Peace) Then there are countries of the Old Soviet Empire Warsaw Pact which included all of: East Germany (NATO member) Poland (NATO member) Czechoslovakia (NATO member) Hungary (NATO member) Romania (NATO member) Bulgaria (NATO member) Albania (NATO member)

I am still stuck on the map for the old Roman Empire and worried out what neo-Italian Imperialism imends for the neo-con global order.

You are ridiculous. A laughing stock. Put down the bong and stop posting while you are high.

[AndyJackson]

The notion that we are THE GLOBAL SUPERPOWER that can prevail everywhere, despite our 50 years of globaalony profligacy, doesn't jibe with our history of getting kicked out of everywehre we have tried to intervene.

It's really simple, if you take a long view. At the end of the day, culture beats everything. It survives long after invading armies have gone to their Valhalla. It doesn't however survive those who abaondon their culture. The culture we had that built this country and won WWII [with our allies, very importantly, because most of our success was rethroning the incumbant culture in the lands we booted the Nazis out of] is not the culture we have today. That culture had been toppled by DEI, the nihilist globalist garbage you support, the cultural marxism of the left and the collusion of the warmongering RINOs like Bush and Cheney and the Zeepers pushing the Ukraine folley.

Here is what Sun Tzu had to say about your utter styewpity about going off on foreign adventures

1. Sun Tzu said: The art of war is of vital importance to the State.
2. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence it is a subject of inquiry which can on no account be neglected.
3. The art of war, then, is governed by five constant factors, to be taken into account in one's deliberations, when seeking to determine the conditions obtaining in the field.
4. These are: (1) The Moral Law; (2) Heaven; (3) Earth; (4) The Commander; (5) Method and discipline.
5. . The Moral Law causes the people to be in complete accord with their ruler, so that they will follow him regardless of their lives, undismayed by any danger.
6. Heaven signifies night and day, cold and heat, times and seasons.
7. Earth comprises distances, great and small; danger and security; open ground and narrow passes; the chances of life and death.
8. The Commander stands for the virtues of wisdom, sincerely, benevolence, courage and strictness.

With the present state of our county we lose on all accounts. Let's get our house in order.