Posted on 03/05/2024 10:53:09 AM PST by one guy in new jersey
Edited on 03/05/2024 10:58:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
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Have to agree with your points about timing.
Once there was some headway then the last minute acceptance of the outcome would have had reason to be delayed such as whether a judge sided with Bush or Gore over the Florida recounts.
That was why the Left made up silly Office of the President Elect of the United States of America signs and stage sets for photo ops to convince people to give up. There never was such an “office.”
Please show me any place in the U.S. Constitution where the term “legitimate vote” even exists.
It is January 2033. What evidence do I have that any of these 51 envelopes contain "falsifications?"
Alberta’s Child is a lame liberal poster on this board.
You can't. You only have the authority to count them. Members of Congress can make motions to be ruled on under parliamentary procedure and the rules of Congress, all of which could be overruled by full vote of the floor. Congress can also reject Electors which would prohibit them from being counted in the total. But the Vice President in his or her capacity of presiding over the count has zero unilateral authority to do anything - never has, never will. The States and Congress have plenary power over their respective roles in sending and accepting the Electoral College votes.
Still amazed at how people just make stuff up and assign secret magic powers to the Vice President.
Here's another way of puting it another FReeper put it:
This “case” (which is actually not one) is Constitutional science fiction.
The “election” alleged to be fraudulent has no Constitutional existence. The 50 State Legislatures which appoint 535 Electors (and Congress, which appoints 3) have all adopted the custom of having people voting as the means by which the appointments are normally made, but this creates 51 elections, not one.
Those 51 elections occur at the direction of, and are subservient to, 50 legislatures and Congress. The States unwisely granted Congress 3 Electors by ratifying the XXIII Amendment in 1960, so Congress does have supervisory power OVER THOSE THREE, but not otherwise.
There is only one Presidential election in the Constitution, it takes place in December, there are 538 voters, and in December 2020 Biden got 306 of them and was elected President.
No State Legislature objected that its Electors were not the ones they had appointed. No State Legislature even convened to consider the matter. In the case of Pennsylvania, the Legislature fled to avoid considering the matter.
It has never been alleged that a single one of the 306 votes for Biden/Harris was a forgery, that the Electors who casted them were impersonating someone else, or that the Legislatures had secretly appointed other Electors.
There is zero space for an allegation of fraud in the Constitutional Presidential election of December 14, 2020.
As far as the 51 elections which occurred on November 3, 2020, they may very well have been rife with fraud, but since the appointment power of the 50 State Legislatures (535) and Congress (3) is plenary, that’s a problem for those legislatures to deal with should they choose to do so. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4133096/posts#3
Trump asked Pence to send disputed tabulations back to the state legislatures and have the legislatures report back on Jan. 17. Pence refused. Trump did not ask him to “overturn” the election.
Take a random look at my extensive posting history to see how silly your statement is.
Pat Buchanan would look like a homosexual communist compared to me. :-0
Your opinion does not make it “a perfect scenario”. With all due respect. Have a nice day.
The VP of the United States -- either on his own or acting as President of the Senate -- has no authority to tell any state legislature to act on anything.
The term: "Oh, go 'eff yourself" would have been the proper response of any state legislature to such an idiotic course of action.
That may be correct as far as what President Trump. But, the VP has no authority to do that - and there is no mechanism for sending it back to the States for such a procedure either in law, congressional rules, or the Constitution. It does not exist. If they States were going to do that, they would have done that before submitting their slate of Electoral votes. No state legislatures chose to do that...as noted in post 46 above.
Trump has been indicted, but not for telling Pence to overturn the election. This was always baloney. Pence was never going to try to overturn the election. But Trump Derangement Syndrome is a virulent disease whether among Trump supporters or Trump opponents.
According to this article, Trump knew the VP couldn’t overturn the election, but sought to create the impression among his supporters that the VP could overturn the election.
We will see how far this case, the DC case, goes. The case seems fanciful to me. It didn’t go very far in the U.S. Senate; and, it took a U.S. attorney two and a half years to proceed with a criminal case and, even then the criminal case isn’t of insurrection (or, incitement to insurrection), but merely interference with a proceeding of the government.
This whole discussion inevitably descends into retardation. Give the VP that kind of discretion, and you will have Kamala Harris disqualifying electoral votes from South Dakota and Wyoming in January 2025 because some dude from a Cheyenne or Sioux reservation will claim that he wasn't allowed to vote.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4133096/posts#3
The “election” alleged to be fraudulent has no Constitutional existence. The 50 State Legislatures which appoint 535 Electors (and Congress, which appoints 3) have all adopted the custom of having people voting as the means by which the appointments are normally made, but this creates 51 elections, not one.
Those 51 elections occur at the direction of, and are subservient to, 50 legislatures and Congress. The States unwisely granted Congress 3 Electors by ratifying the XXIII Amendment in 1960, so Congress does have supervisory power OVER THOSE THREE, but not otherwise.
There is only one Presidential election in the Constitution, it takes place in December, there are 538 voters, and in December 2020 Biden got 306 of them and was elected President.
No State Legislature objected that its Electors were not the ones they had appointed. No State Legislature even convened to consider the matter. In the case of Pennsylvania, the Legislature fled to avoid considering the matter.
It has never been alleged that a single one of the 306 votes for Biden/Harris was a forgery, that the Electors who casted them were impersonating someone else, or that the Legislatures had secretly appointed other Electors.
There is zero space for an allegation of fraud in the Constitutional Presidential election of December 14, 2020.
As far as the 51 elections which occurred on November 3, 2020, they may very well have been rife with fraud, but since the appointment power of the 50 State Legislatures (535) and Congress (3) is plenary, that’s a problem for those legislatures to deal with should they choose to do so.
Are you saying Kamala Harris can overturn this year’s election?
Never accept the premise that there is a legitimate 2020 election to overturn.
That may be correct as far as what President Trump said to Pence. But, the VP has no authority to do that - and there is no mechanism for sending it back to the States for such a procedure either in law, congressional rules, or the Constitution. It does not exist. If the States were going to do that, they would have done that before submitting their slate of Electoral votes. No state legislatures chose to do that...as noted in post 46 above - and their authority is plenary over that as noted - the VP has zero power to order them to do that.
I have seen plenty of your posts and have said this to you before. Right here you’re defending Mike Pence.
Gore could have overturned 2000. Gore actually ruled against efforts to do so advising he had no authority and they failed to get Senators to sign on to it. Waters: “I don’t care that it hasn’t been signed by a member of the Senate!” Gore: “The rules do care.” But if he had ruled otherwise, they could have merely appealed the ruling of the Chair, and overturned him by vote.
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