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The Ukrainians 'disappearing' in Russia's prisons
BBC ^ | 10 Feb 2024 | Olga Prosvirova & Zhanna Bezpyatchuk

Posted on 02/10/2024 4:52:13 AM PST by Chad C. Mulligan

When Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022, the Buzynov brothers, their mother, and Mykyta's girlfriend fled their home in Chernihiv in the north of the country to avoid the conflict. They went to the village of Mykhailo-Kotsiubynske, but by early March, Russian soldiers arrived there too. "We've come to liberate you from your government. Putin is cool," the soldiers exclaimed.

Volodymyr says the soldiers searched the village, confiscating phones and accusing his family of sharing the location of the Russian army - something they all deny. Then, Volodymr says, the soldiers set up what sounded like a fake execution.

"They took my brother Mykyta and others behind some trees and told them to line up against a wall, yelling: 'Get ready! Aim!' Then they took Mykyta's girlfriend Kateryna, and made her kneel next to him. Aiming a rifle at her head, they said to my brother: 'If you don't confess, we'll shoot her.'"

Volodymyr says that was the last time he saw Mykyta. "He may have confessed to save his girlfriend because they let her go. They told us: 'He admitted everything. He's facing up to 15 years in prison.'"

According to the Ukrainian government, as of November 2023 there were 4,337 Ukrainians in Russian captivity. Most were military personnel, but 763 were civilians. However, there is no official list of their names and Ukrainian authorities rely on data from the Red Cross.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: abuse; gulag; hunkamaximus; murder; olgaprosvirova; prisoners; russia; zhannabezpyatchuk
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

The USA has stupid, unethical people.

And so does Russia.

Ukraine gets US satellite intelligence and knows of all significant Russian military movements except when there’s fog or heavy clouds.

Ukranian experts monitor the airwaves at all times.


21 posted on 02/10/2024 6:02:06 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: dforest
--- "This hogwash about Ukraine having some kind of moral high ground is a joke. There isn’t anything moral about war on eiher side."

This seems the crux of the matter. When the war broke out and the threads started their daily appearance, usually involving YouTube videos and Twitter stuff, there was an attempt by the "moral high ground" types to argue a number of different things.

1) Invasion proves guilt. Were this true, then these last decades involving Iraq, Afghanistan and beyond would be under the same logical umbrella.

2) War means Russia will conquer Europe. Were this true, the next stance would have been laughable.

3) War as it progresses proves Russia cannot conquer Ukraine.

Then when some would argue, "not my war," the pro-Ukraine threads would baptize those as Russians with the likes of Ruzzian, and, as Mr. Robinson observed, "do not accuse them of being a 'Putinista', 'commrade', 'murderer', 'baby-killer', etc, just because he may have a difference of opinion whether or not the US government should be involved in a controversial foreign war where we were not attacked."

Some have trotted out polls showing Ukraine "less corrupt" than Russia, though the polls thereby call both corrupt. No matter, as the claim of a "moral high ground" became comparative moral LOW ground for both.

A war continues between two non-NATO nations, brutal and with death and destruction for both sides. The war is ostensibly between Ukraine and Russia.

EXCEPT for the billions and billions being allocated for war based on some "moral high ground" and to "officially" not conduct an official war with Russia, with sanctions and such. Said sanctions are seeming now to wear as hard on European nations as on Russia, so perhaps the "proxy" isn't proving as a "moral high ground" as those arguing a "moral high ground" demonstrate.

If one in not a cheerleader for Ukraine or Russia, these "moral high ground" types assign such to being "pro-Putin," as by those rules there can only be two sides, even though the world is rapidly turning multi-polar.

A couple of decades of war all around the world, and our national debt has risen by as much as $30 trillion MORE than when the whole of this new century began.

What is certain is one unavoidable piece to the puzzle, and it is the frame in which all is taking place:

Debt Clock

Federal Budget Deficit Grew to $2 Trillion in FY 2023 Tax Foundation, 12 October 2023


22 posted on 02/10/2024 6:03:18 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Check out Victor Orban’s statements on the impressment of ethnic Hungarians into the Uke meat grinder. Heh, those young Ukes who might be in prison have at least avoided being massacred with their brothers as nato feeds them into the abyss.


23 posted on 02/10/2024 6:06:15 AM PST by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: dforest

The proper way forward is via an armistice.

Congress should pass a law requiring Biden to call for an armistice.


24 posted on 02/10/2024 6:06:39 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: tlozo

Smells like propaganda, it has a stench, especially coming from the UK MI6 BBC joke department…. But right on schedule….the Ukies are getting creamed at Avidivka.

“ Stories” like this come from BBC every time Vlad has huge successes. BBC lost all credibility years ago when they supported the climate change hoax, the Covid lock downs, the Trans, LGXYZ agenda, and Boris Johnson.


25 posted on 02/10/2024 6:07:50 AM PST by delta7
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Nice post traveler.


26 posted on 02/10/2024 6:09:03 AM PST by BlackbirdSST (Trump or Bust! Long live the Republic.)
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To: dforest; Chad C. Mulligan

“Gonzalo got even worse than that in a Ukrainian prison.”

You have no evidence of that at all. But because it fits your narrative, you make the claim.

You’re pretty transparent.


27 posted on 02/10/2024 6:09:04 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
The Ukrainians 'disappearing' in Russia's prisons

Surprise, Russian soldiers that have castrated, beheaded and executed surrendering Ukrainian soldiers mistreats them in prison.

Execution of Oleksandr Matsievskyi


28 posted on 02/10/2024 6:11:34 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

The escalation to full-scale war seems to have been Putin’s fault.

Russia had gripes 26 months ago. It now has ~200,000 dead Russians (and ~150,000 dead Ukrainian ‘brothers’), a war to fight and the highly active animosity of most Ukrainians.


29 posted on 02/10/2024 6:16:20 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
When the war broke out

LOL, sure like in WW2, "When the war broke out" and not nazi Germany invaded Poland. Putin invading Ukraine for territorial conquest and annexation wasn't the start of the war, it just "broke out". Amazing

30 posted on 02/10/2024 6:16:47 AM PST by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: dforest; tlozo

YOU are the one who brought up the “moral high ground.” The FReeper showed you an example of Putin’s “moral high ground”: when he took the side of Hitler and Nazi Germany and blamed the Poles for starting WWII because they had the temerity to tell Hitler “Nein!” when he demanded they fork over Polish territory. Perhaps it’s because Putin employed similar tactics vis-a-vis Ukraine.


31 posted on 02/10/2024 6:16:59 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: delta7

“the Ukies are getting creamed at Avidivka”

It is my understanding that in the current war it’s usually the attacking force that suffers the higher numbers of dead and wounded.


32 posted on 02/10/2024 6:18:30 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

“Congress should pass a law requiring Biden to call for an armistice.”

Congress has no authority to do such a thing.


33 posted on 02/10/2024 6:20:44 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: ought-six

Perhaps a Congressional resolution calling for an armistice then.


34 posted on 02/10/2024 6:30:28 AM PST by Brian Griffin
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To: delta7
--- "Smells like propaganda...."

The article is most interesting in its construction. One reads: "Volodymyr Buzynov has been searching for his brother Mykyta for nearly two years."

Searching how? Searching where? Writing letters? If the "Red Cross can't always gain access to the places where Ukrainians are held in Russia, let alone in the occupied territories," then how has this young man in what began as a "human interest story" been searching? And for two years?

But notice the photojournalism part of the article. The first picture shows a wistful young man, but the description underneath does NOT identify him as Volodymyr Buzynov. Note the use of background graphics, such that the rest of the picture's details may not be more closely examined. What's outside the train window?

The second "photo" is only a graphics creation, identified underneath as "Ukrainian detainees have told the BBC they have experienced mock executions in Russian captivity."

The third photo of "Anton Lomakin" is also background-obscurred with the same technique as the previous two, so all were "Photoshopped" together.

The fourth photo is also clipped, as the caption credits "Suspilne/Taras Ibragimov/BBC" Suspline News. Wonder about them?

One finds from their own site, "The socio-political information online publication "Public Broadcasting" (registration ID R40-01992) belongs to the Ukrainian society and is financed by citizens' taxes. We don't publish ads. If you want to use our material or disseminate the information collected by our journalists, put a link to Suspilne."

Тарас Ібрагімов

Note the location of this detention cell is not identified. But the background is the same Photoshop-style graphic as the previous. One cannot further inquire into the details of the photo. Likely this is intentional, and not just "artistic."

The article isn't really a detailed account of the two years which Volodymyr Buzynov spent "searching." That is the opening gambit only. By what channels did he search? How often? Where? But one learns that the lead author with that Russian (or Ukrainian) name is in London, UK.

BBC Senior Correspondent - London, England, United Kingdom Olga Prosvirova LinkedIn profile

Olga Prosvirova Muck Rack location -- London.

So one may conclude that the article's intent is other than telling in some detail of a brother's search for a brother.

What is certain is that war is devastating to many, on both sides and beyond, if the loss of French advisors' lives in a Kiev missile attack is included in the picture. War is indeed hell.

Perhaps then it is time -- and PAST time -- for diplomacy, negotiations and perhaps a settlement, if one can be found.

After all, one has negotiated before -- and even with Russians....


35 posted on 02/10/2024 6:36:49 AM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: dforest
This thread is not about that interview. Take it to one of those threads

This thread is also NOT about Gonzalo Lira. So don't try try to change the subject, just take it to one of those threads.


36 posted on 02/10/2024 6:42:10 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: Chad C. Mulligan
The Nazi Ukrainians 'disappearing' in Russia's prisons


37 posted on 02/10/2024 6:42:11 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Celebrate Decivilization)
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To: Brian Griffin

Yes, Congress can do that.


38 posted on 02/10/2024 6:45:13 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time

Interesting that you post the Yalta Summit picture

That was where Stalin was given control of Eastern Europe - a disastrous and idiotic decision which would condemn millions of innocent people to more than 40 years of death and misery under Soviet Commie rule

:(


39 posted on 02/10/2024 6:46:16 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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To: Navy Patriot

more childish insults = Russia still has no battlefield successes (otherwise you’d be bragging about that!)

lol


40 posted on 02/10/2024 6:49:46 AM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - now celebrating 75 successful years of keeping the Russian monsters out!!)
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