Posted on 01/18/2024 6:01:26 AM PST by JSM_Liberty
Matthew 9:36 niv
When he saw the crowds,
he had compassion on them,
because they were harassed and helpless,
like sheep without a shepherd.
I haven’t seen that yet. Is it good/worth watching?
Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I John 5:19 : “We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.”
Matthew 4:8 - Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.”
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True, no leader is where he or she is without God allowing it. It doesn’t mean that God is blessing them or those they have authority over. It just means that His plan hasn’t been thwarted, since no one can do a run-around on God.
We have not been a righteous people for quite a while. We have to answer for that by seeking His forgiveness, mercy and wisdom. Just check the Old Testament for the rise and fall of Israel on more than one occasion.
Do you actually read what I explained to you? It is God's will that angels and humans can make choices, even if those are sinful choices that are against His directive will for them? Yes. Does always God prevent them from doing so? No. Did God know what they would choose, and how He would make it work out for good, according to the plan which is His will? Yes.
Thus under the context of God allowing such choices and consequences, then the latter are God's will as part of what He wills to accomplish, unless you imagine Him to be powerless.
Thus not only were the sinful actions of Joseph's siblings wrong yet allowed as part of God's will, in accordance with the plan He wills, but so are the allowed sinful actions and actions that resulted in the rise of evil men to power part of God's will.)
Which in the West itself will result in the persecution of His body, the church, but which needs this for its purification and future degrees of glorification.
We arent talking about the fulfillment of the prophecies on the Cross. We are talking about evil men ruling over God fearing people.
Which is exactly what the crucifixion of the Lord as well as the martyrdom of so many of His believers exampled. Quite literally as in nailed to a cross. Which the devil meant for evil, but was another case of God's will, His purposes, being accomplished.
The problem here is that you are engaging in a either/or false dilemma, in which man acting against God's directive will for them in obedience is seen as being contrary to the result being part of God's will in accomplishing the plan which is His will.
In which the damnable devil serves a purpose, though being wholly accountable for his selfish, malevolent choices.
Note that inorant atheists who charge God will evil for allowing it treat God as if He was a finite man, or they effectively presume omniscience, but unless one is, then they are in no position to object to how the pieces of a puzzle are going together. An omniscient omnipotent being can do what is sinful for finite man, since only the former knows what the effects will be and make them all work out for what is Good, in both justice and mercy and grace.
I saw none of the regulars from the RM objecting to Johnson.
I think We allowed Biden and his clan to allow their vertical graph and steal the election. I don’t know how Biblical that is or just how puss-nuts the GOP is for allowing it, allowing the borders to be opened, allowing good people to be jailed and allowing Trump to be impeached twice, forced to succumb to a cheat, and now getting raked over the coals in the justice system and just allowing it.
If anything biblical I call this the luke-warm days of Laodecia, going along to get along, surrendering because the country is full of fat, stupid, lazy, lukewarm fools who haven’t the balls to go out in the streets to protests jabs, climate lies, abortion, pro Israel, anti war and protesting all those jailed for no reason. Protesting against 1A or 2A or social credit score or illegal searches or even getting someone to initiates the 25th amendment against a sitting president( who was placed) that has no control of his faculties now his bowels.
As I look around I see that Satan’s will seems to be getting done all around us. Who is to say that Biden is God’s will or Satan’s?
If Biden is God’s will, then we should accept God’s will, shouldn’t we? Shouldn’t we support Biden, regardless of how corrupt & immoral he & his administration is?
Is it, therefore, God’s will that we support evil?
I agree with Johnson.
God is testing us.
Maybe even cursing us with Biden.
Again you equate Gods will with His plan.
You like to preach in a lot of king James old English and assume your interpretation of original scripture is the only correct interpretation. Frankly being so high and mighty about your interpretation is a bit annoying and doesn’t pull me into the conversation. Quite the opposite when you speak down to my humble interpretation of the Word.
Let me ask you, how old is the Earth? Do you take the Word literally or do you acknowledge that a day in Gods eye can be millions of years in our finite time line?
We try to read the Bible, or at least the translation of the original manuscripts, as best we can. Then many scholars try to ferret out the meaning and intent. It’s not always the same interpretation in the details, but the constants are pretty consistent, like Christs top commandment to us or His being the only way to His Kingdom.
Our different interpretations of what ‘ His will’ encompasses is small potatoes in comparison. There is evil, and God foresaw all of it, but evil was not His will. We have free will as a gift from Him, and he knows where we stumble along our paths, but sinning is not His will. Following sinners like an evil government is not His will.
I can’t be more plain spoken than that. I can’t be more polite about our opinions being different than that. You make it seem like the leaders who have stolen their positions of power and abuse those positions are just asking for a Roman Empire tax and we are to just render unto Cesar. That is very different than an evil that promotes abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, wanton lawlessness, destruction of families, child abuse, or genocide.
To the original thread topic, Johnson was being far too kind in his comments about Biden. Was that the Christian thing to do, like turning a cheek? Perhaps. Should he have said something discerning about Bidens presidential disasters instead? Absolutely. Not all situations call for a preacher. Some call for Gods warriors and protectors, the sheep dogs.
We try to read the Bible, or at least the translation of the original manuscripts, as best we can.
Gehenna was a a smoldering garbage dump near Jerusalem when Jesus Christ was alive.
What a kook and a clown this guy is.
I guess I am a little too dense or too tired tonight to understand the relevance of your post to mine. If you want to explain it to me, please go ahead.
Again separate Gods will from His plan, as if His will was not to work out His plan, in which it is His will that parents and government exist, and wills to allow man to act contrary to His directive will in accomplishing His plan, which is His will to do. Until see the difference btwn God's directive will for man's obedience and His will in ordaining at parents and government, etc. and that of His will in allowing man to disobey His commands in order to accomplish the plan and purpose that He wills, then you must object to Pontius Pilate being governor, having received that power of from God, as if that was not God's will in the context of the latter operation. It is God's will that the devil provides the alternative to obedience to God, being allowed to disobey God's directive will, as it accomplishes God's His plan, which is His will to do.
>You like to preach in a lot of king James old English and assume your interpretation of original scripture is the only correct interpretation. Frankly being so high and mighty about your interpretation is a bit annoying and doesn’t pull me into the conversation. Quite the opposite when you speak down to my humble interpretation of the Word.
I do not know of any king James old English I used apart from quoting Scripture, but we are dealing with theology. And any "speaking down" is to your assertive interpretation of the Word, as if assuming your interpretation of original scripture is the only correct interpretation.
Let me ask you, how old is the Earth? Do you take the Word literally or do you acknowledge that a day in Gods eye can be millions of years in our finite time line?
No, that is unsound exegesis, since you are using a simile ("hōs" = "as") to mean literal ("busy as a bee" does not mean you are one), and which in context (2 Peter 3:8) is referring to how God sees time, being beyond our space and time restriction, yet communicating to us based upon our state.
I do not know how old the Earth is, as time may not be constant, while dating is based upon the premise of uniform decay, and I think the Fall and the introduction of death could have made Adam - who was created as full mature, to test very old, as well as rocks.
However, the fact is that the Bible is a book of books of almost 800,000 words, penned over a course of approx. 1600 years (and an unsurpassed amount of extant manuscripts, of varying quality - yet amazingly overall complementary), and covering a span from creation to eternity, and which abounds in literal recorded history, as well as many types of figurative language and literary forms. Yet as in everyday life, these usually can easily be parsed and understood in the light of familiarity with such, and context, and culture.
There is evil, and God foresaw all of it, but evil was not His will. We have free will as a gift from Him, and he knows where we stumble along our paths, but sinning is not His will. Following sinners like an evil government is not His will.
Again, you are stuck in your either/or dichotomy. No, it is not God's will to sin, but it is His will to allow man to sin, and to realize consequences, and thus the latter are God's will in that sense. And since it is God's will for governments to exist, then they are to be obeyed insofar as they do perform their function.
Meaning Christians in the 1st. century were enjoined to pay taxes, etc. as in
"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men: (1 Peter 2:13-15)
But not affirm the emperors as God. Christians in China are to obey the speed limits, etc. but disobey them by meeting together as unregistered churches.
Likewise, being in a slave state,
Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward. (1 Peter 2:18)The priority was and is to be on personal spiritual victory of circumstance, not social revolution, which the outworking of Christian ethos can enable.
To excuse ourselves from obeying any of the laws of governments under the premise that they do much evil makes a mockery of the word of God which commands obedience to such as the Romans, whose emperors overall would make our pols look more moral.
You make it seem like the leaders who have stolen their positions of power and abuse those positions are just asking for a Roman Empire tax and we are to just render unto Cesar. That is very different than an evil that promotes abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, wanton lawlessness, destruction of families, child abuse, or genocide.
I already expressed that Christians are not to obey the gov. in instances when it would be contrary to God, yet the iniquity governments simply does not absolve the people from obeying just laws. Do you actually think that Roman leaders which Christians were to conditionally obey did not sanction abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, wanton lawlessness, destruction of families, child abuse, or genocide as much as the USA does?
To excuse ourselves from obeying any of the laws of governments under the premise that they do much evil makes a mockery of the word of God which command obedience to such as the Romans, many of whose emperors overall make our pols look more moral. To the original thread topic, Johnson was being far too kind in his comments about Biden.
No again - that is simply ignorant of context and Scripture. He was being 100% Biblical as in
"the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men" (Daniel 4:17) and Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. (Romans 13:1-2)
Then saith Pilate unto him, Speakest thou not unto me? knowest thou not that I have power to crucify thee, and have power to release thee? Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. (John 19:10-11)The NT church was never justly accused to being disobedient to the civil rulers, except in instances when they were not acting consistent with the character given them but acted contrary to it, in being "a terror to good works (Romans 13:3) But which was only in instances, not insurrections.
You have given me a headache. I am going to join others here who have asked ‘don’t message me anymore’.
Good day.
That is consistent with an unconverted state with a form of rebellion against God, in which government is rejected on the basis of the degree of iniquity in it - which all have, just varying in degrees - as if anarchy was God's will, versus obeying the powers that be insofar as they are not contrary to God's word.
I myself strongly oppose the Left, and have been confronted and opposed by LE many time, and threatened with arrest more than once due to obeying God, even to calling their bluff when told we could not offer the word of God on county property, and I chaff at excessive regulations (just got done contending with the EPA over an issue), yet I recognize that government is God's will, not anarchy, and to which conditional submission required, while reformation or replacement is to be sought.
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