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The Corn Ethanol and Water Pollution Boondoggle
Liberty Nation News ^ | Jan 4, 2024 | | John Klar

Posted on 01/04/2024 10:36:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

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1 posted on 01/04/2024 10:36:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It takes 9 to 10 gallons of water to make one gallon of beer*. This is a well known industry fact that is not widely publicized. That is just in the manufacturing process. This article talks about the water needed for the growing process, etc. Question is how much water is needed to manufacture ethanol.

* This includes water needed to clean vats, etc.


2 posted on 01/04/2024 10:42:10 AM PST by Steven Scharf
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Ethanol mandates for gasoline are now a third rail subject. No politician from either side of the isle is going to touch them for fear of retribution from the Corn Growers associations.


3 posted on 01/04/2024 10:46:16 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

approximately 40% will be processed into ethanol to meet subsidized mandates in Americans’ fuel blends.
= = =

I suggest:

Put two nozzles at the ‘gas station’.

One with gasoline and
The other with ethanol.

I’ll bet the users pump some ethanol, take it home for consumption, and do not drive much more at all, thus decreasing ‘gasoline pollution’.


4 posted on 01/04/2024 10:49:18 AM PST by Scrambler Bob
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Uncle Earl was quite proficient in producing ethanol.


5 posted on 01/04/2024 10:49:42 AM PST by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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6 posted on 01/04/2024 10:51:11 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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7 posted on 01/04/2024 10:51:22 AM PST by budj (Combat vet, second of three generations.)
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**Corn and soy require chemical applications that erode soils and contribute to water pollution.**

While I am not a fan of using chemicals on cropland, the fact that herbicides have greatly reduced tillage practices (thereby leaving crop residue on the surface to help prevent erosion), soil erosion is much less than, say, 30 years ago and before.

Hogs raised in confinement buildings may seem unethical to some folk, but if one goes to vintage aerial photo sites, and look at midwest farmsteads of the 1960s, one can see the dirt (or mud) hog lots were commonplace.


8 posted on 01/04/2024 11:07:02 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Almonds are killing California rivers.

90 % exported outside the US.


9 posted on 01/04/2024 11:10:06 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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I buy strictly ethanol free fuel in southeast Idaho. The hygroscopic nature of ethanol draws water into the fuel. That water freezes into ice in the winter damaging fuel components (lines, pumps, filters). The ethanol is corrosive as well. In small engines, ethanol burns hotter causing damage to the valves. It has no place in a gasoline engine.
10 posted on 01/04/2024 11:20:13 AM PST by Myrddin
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Yep, and ethanol eats up my Quadrajet Pontiac carburator.


11 posted on 01/04/2024 11:38:20 AM PST by Scrambler Bob
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Not really.

Gas is cheap enough (inflation adjusted) that ethanol is not the new hotness anymore. EV’s are.

What is left are the smaller plants that are making it for feed lots (DDG is good cow feed), and the wet mills that are using it to control byproducts.

And for the “Grow food”, grow what? I see a lot of city people rail against corn, and no one really understands why corn is grown. It is the most carbs per input cost out there. That and the demand for say, carrots is many factors smaller.


12 posted on 01/04/2024 12:10:19 PM PST by redgolum (We are not going to make it, are we. )
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To: Zuriel

Yep

That and the new genetics for hogs have them so lean, they would die outside.

The hogs I raised growing up are what you see on TV now as “feral” hogs, not what you buy at the store. They loved being outside.


13 posted on 01/04/2024 12:11:46 PM PST by redgolum (We are not going to make it, are we. )
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Not really. Gas is cheap enough (inflation adjusted) that ethanol is not the new hotness anymore. EV’s are.

It's no longer about cheaper gas, or cleaner air. It's about a de facto subsidy to grow corn to sell to the distillers.

No more ethanol mandate in the gasoline motor fuel blend, no more need to create ethanol, no more demand for the corn that makes ethanol, more p.o.ed farmers with tons of grain on their hands with no market.

I've seen it before when a candidate suggests removing the ethanol requirement, and the Iowans revolt.

14 posted on 01/04/2024 2:00:19 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Myrddin

Ethanol burns cooler:

https://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/basics/jtb_ethanol.pdf


15 posted on 01/04/2024 2:29:42 PM PST by Does so ( 🇺🇦..."Christian-Nationalists" won WWII...Biden NOT NEXT DNC nominee!)
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Gas with ethanol can make small engines fail

Read the article. It burns hotter in small engines. That includes motorcycles, lawn mowers, marine outboard engines.

16 posted on 01/04/2024 2:57:10 PM PST by Myrddin
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I've seen it before when a candidate suggests removing the ethanol requirement, and the Iowans revolt.

Iowa is ONE state of 50. It's wrong to screw the other 49 to make the Iowa corn farmers happy. There are food shortages on the horizon. There will be plenty of market for corn.

17 posted on 01/04/2024 3:01:00 PM PST by Myrddin
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Iowa is ONE state of 50. It's wrong to screw the other 49 to make the Iowa corn farmers happy. There are food shortages on the horizon. There will be plenty of market for corn.

I agree. But who holds the very first caucuses in the nation every Presidential Primary season.

18 posted on 01/04/2024 3:07:50 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Steven Scharf

“It takes 9 to 10 gallons of water to make one gallon of beer”

Where does this water go? It just doesn’t disappear. H²O even at the atomic level is retained. Just like carbon is.


19 posted on 01/05/2024 1:29:43 AM PST by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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The Model T engine had lever on the carburetor that allowed the burning of either gasoline (benzene) or alcohol. Why? So farmers could produce their own fuel. Which they did.


20 posted on 01/05/2024 1:34:48 AM PST by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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