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Missile hits Red Sea container ship, US destroyers shoot down two more
The Guardian ^ | Dec 30, 2023

Posted on 12/30/2023 7:15:42 PM PST by rdl6989

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To: Reverend Wright

Always there to insult America, aren’t you


21 posted on 12/30/2023 8:16:19 PM PST by canuck_conservative (NATO - still needed after 74 years!)
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To: canuck_conservative

This Regime is failing, and pretending that it isn’t doesn’t solve anything.

Almost none of the allies (including Canada) wants to have anything to do with this operation, because they know it is going to fail.


22 posted on 12/30/2023 8:25:15 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: rdl6989
Centcom said the US destroyers Gravely and Laboon responded to a request for assistance from the Maersk Hangzhou...While responding, missiles were launched toward the ships from territory controlled by the Iran-backed Houthi rebels, Centcom said.

Likely the Houthi missiles were fired from vehicle mounted launchers that skedaddled as soon as they fired so they couldn't be targeted. You still have to deal with the missiles headed toward your ship. I think in that case firing a million dollar missile to save a multi-billion dollar ship is a good trade-off.

23 posted on 12/30/2023 8:30:09 PM PST by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: rdl6989

(from a container ship that was hit)

Must have pretty good guidance. Or good enough.

Yikes.


24 posted on 12/30/2023 8:38:52 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Paladin2

Because it isn’t the Yemeni government doing it, but the rebel Houthis.

But even if we were to limit it to just the Houthis... which is harder than it sounds... we have feckless idiots running the country. So no action will be taken.


25 posted on 12/30/2023 9:52:38 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SunTzuWu

Ummm.... that’s an actual class of weapon now. It was developed as a response to the US inventing Aegis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-ship_ballistic_missile


26 posted on 12/30/2023 9:54:36 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: rdl6989

They should do a convoy systen like WWIi if they are not doing it already.


27 posted on 12/30/2023 9:56:34 PM PST by moviefan8 (The noblest art is that of making others happy. - P.T. Barnum)
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To: SaveFerris

Civilian toy drones are now good enough to optically identify a target and fly to it in some cases. Usually it’s used as a backup to an INS to get one ‘home’ but... the programming exists, the computer hardware is there... Doesn’t cost much to get one.


28 posted on 12/30/2023 9:58:16 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: moviefan8

The Red Sea is *very* narrow but mostly shallow and there are points at which ships basically have to pass straits in single file. Another problem is that we killed a lot of missile defense programs that could have dealt with this *and* we took CIWS off our destroyers.


29 posted on 12/30/2023 10:00:34 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: fidelis
Likely the Houthi missiles were fired from vehicle mounted launchers that skedaddled as soon as they fired so they couldn't be targeted.

It may be difficult to stop the launches, but you know where they came from and it if was a few vehicles in the desert, they are easy to follow. You track them down and kill the crews.

The prospective launch areas are under constant real-time surveillance and there are a limited number of sites. If your observers are good, you have a chance of catching the launch crews as they setup and wait for victims.

With back-tracing, you may be able to spot the armories where the launch trucks are being loaded. Once you have reasonable certainty of where they are located, you hit them too.

Civilian causalities? That is just too bad. The coast is an active war zone.

You must be very careful about anti-aircraft systems that may be deployed in the area especially the Russian S-300 and S-400 systems. Once they show up, it is "game-over" for simple air offensive measures. You aren't going to be using airstrikes more than a few times before you must stop. Better make them fast and effective while you still can.

At some point you had better deploy a whole bunch of expendable attack drones, because manned aircraft won't be able to get through to targets. Neither will most of the drones, but it comes down to swarm numbers and clever evasion software. Some drones will always get through. That might be enough.

The American ships have a very limited supply of defensive missiles, and they cannot be reloaded while at sea. (Whoever though that was an acceptable design for a weapon system?) Once they run low, they must return to a safe port for reloading, or they become sitting ducks for attacks, just like the freighters they are supposed to be protecting.

The Houthi (Iranian) missiles are cheap and plentiful. They are meant to exhaust the supplies of American counter-missiles more than to actually destroy unarmed freighters. Behind the swarm of cheap missiles is a group of much more capable Chinese or Russian anti-ship missiles, or even Iranian anti-ship missiles of advanced design. The Iranians have some very capable engineers and can do quite a lot with just a little help from their friends. They would be thrilled to take an "accidental" shot at an American capital ship and sink it.

We are being setup for a sucker punch. We cannot just hang around in the area on patrols for an indefinite period of time. We are going to have to leave eventually.

Purely defensive tactics are a losing game. Then again, the shadow people who control the US government want us to lose. It is in their best interest for us to lose. We must deal with that before we deal with a lot of other things.

30 posted on 12/30/2023 10:28:57 PM PST by flamberge (Trust no politician. Trust no government official.)
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To: NWFree
If an Iranian oil installation was wiped out for each drone or missile launched they would end pretty quick but President Retard is too stupid

Yemen DOES have numerous sea port facilities, on the coast. I have no idea, what would happen, if a sea port was reduced to rubble.

31 posted on 12/30/2023 10:33:58 PM PST by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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To: Mark17

The problem is that the sea ports aren’t necessarily controlled by the same government as is flipping missiles at ships.


32 posted on 12/30/2023 11:52:57 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Yes, but maybe the government may not appreciate the trouble the Houthis are getting them into.


33 posted on 12/31/2023 12:43:44 AM PST by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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To: rdl6989

34 posted on 12/31/2023 1:59:11 AM PST by ETCM (“There is no security, no safety, in the appeasement of evil.” — Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mark17

The government doesn’t like us, but they’re not stupid enough to flip missiles at us. Unfortunately, they’ve been losing to the Houthis for a while now and there’s not a lot they can do about them.


35 posted on 12/31/2023 2:53:47 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Salman

“Instead of shooting down missiles, how about shooting where they are being launched? What am I missing?”

Supposedly the missiles are coming from mobile launchers. Pull up, set up, fire and gone in minutes. Still hard to believe our satellites aren’t parked over the launch areas and tracking were these mobile units are dispersed to and parked. Taking care of the root of the problem doesn’t make the Raytheons of the world happy. They want to keep supplying million dollar surface to air missiles to take down Russian / Iranian built $20k Drones.


36 posted on 12/31/2023 3:08:50 AM PST by DAC21
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To: NWFree
WE need to remember the dems only care about staying in power nothing else. IF they can destroy the US, as they are doing, they will.If they can't issues like this are only important if they carry a political value. That's why the small boats were taken out to begin with. That has a political value.
37 posted on 12/31/2023 3:16:34 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT))
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To: Spktyr
If your goal is to destroy the US, like the dems goal is, you would make ammunition for everything scarce as it is today. Also, you would kill off as many missile defense systems as possible since that to weakens the US.

The O'biden crime family run by the deep state has done more to destroy the US than the past administrations put together absent Trump and Reagan could have done all together.

The plan to destroy the US was and is well coordinated as we see today with 10-20,000 invaders coming across an open border daily to name only one objective.

38 posted on 12/31/2023 3:26:09 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT))
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To: flamberge; All
Purely defensive tactics are a losing game. Then again, the shadow people who control the US government want us to lose. It is in their best interest for us to lose. We must deal with that before we deal with a lot of other things.

Seeing the light always helps.....

39 posted on 12/31/2023 3:27:51 AM PST by rodguy911 (HOME OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!! ITS ALL A CONSPIRACY: UNTIL ITS NOT))
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To: Spktyr

Yeah the tech is here - even low tech like that will work against unarmed ships


40 posted on 12/31/2023 4:02:17 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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