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NYC Council approves bills forcing cops to record all encounters, banning solitary confinement
NY Post ^ | 12/20/2023 | Social Links Craig McCarthy , Aneeta Bhole and Emily Crane

Posted on 12/21/2023 6:47:12 AM PST by ChicagoConservative27

The New York City Council pushed through two controversial bills Wednesday that will see a ban on solitary confinement in Big Apple jails and force cops to file reports for every street stop they carry out — even the low-level ones.

The two bills, which were vehemently opposed by Mayor Eric Adams along with police and jail guard unions, passed with a veto-proof majority — meaning the legislation will likely not be quashed by Hizzoner and will become law.

“The New York City Council has taken action today that, if implemented, will unquestionably make our city less safe,” the mayor said in a statement about the passage of the so-called “How Many Stops Act.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bills; cops; council; donutwatch; nyc
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To: Lurker
So what do you do with the violent sub-80 IQ feral who is a constant danger to those around him even in a jail setting?

Jails and prisons have their own little culture to deal with troublemakers. Guards often look the other way in these cases.

21 posted on 12/21/2023 7:04:27 AM PST by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

I have no problem with body cams,dash cams and cameras in police stations...including in interrogation rooms. Cameras protect the cops,they protect innocent civilians and they even protect suspects. The only problem I have with them is that when a video makes the cops look bad the cameras always seem to malfunction.


22 posted on 12/21/2023 7:06:14 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Proudly Clinging To My Guns And My Religion)
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To: Lurker

More: If you don’t already know, look up ‘shot-callers slang’. These guys are the ones who ACTUALLY run prisons. In jails I think they are called the House Man.


23 posted on 12/21/2023 7:07:13 AM PST by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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To: Lazamataz
And who can possibly be against cops recording their own behavior?

If it's truthful recording then yes. However, I can see where lots of these "recordings" will get lost.

24 posted on 12/21/2023 7:12:40 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: Red Badger

I read a study on violence in prison. Some people have a huge personal space envelope. There isn’t enough room in the average corridor for another person to pass them without violating their personal space and therefore being attacked. These people must be kept isolated from others to prevent injury.

I talked to a prison guard at the gym. A man they’d released the day before murdered someone an hour after being released. It was just some guy who got in his way. The guard said they had all been warned to never, under any circumstance, turn their back on the prisoner because he would kill them. He was released because he had served his time, but the entire legal system knew what he’d do when he got out.

The council is full of people who have never had to deal with the real world.


25 posted on 12/21/2023 7:13:42 AM PST by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud? )
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To: Lazamataz

“However, I see a possible solution AND a possible money-making opportunity: Devise software that hangs off their body cams that automatically files a report.”

It would be too honest. Can’t fudge or twist it into something it is not.


26 posted on 12/21/2023 7:20:42 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Lazamataz

The “software” would need speech generation and recognition to ask and record the poor tourist’s self-reported age, race and chosen gender.

So much for the tourist’s privacy in the techno-dystopia you are imagining.


27 posted on 12/21/2023 7:24:15 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

AI is bringing it anyways. Might as well use it for something good.


28 posted on 12/21/2023 7:25:24 AM PST by Lazamataz (The firearms I own today, are the firearms I will die with. How I die will be up to them.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The only way to record the information is to ask every contact(everyone walking down the sidewalk) for identification. Some may even require frisking...for their own safety.

I give it three days.

EC


29 posted on 12/21/2023 7:26:20 AM PST by Ex-Con777
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To: Gen.Blather

Have to see through these things, they are never what they seem. The Solitary thing is not about compassion or personal space. They will use this to open the door to legally house more than just one in those solitary cells and make room for even more bodies in the prison.


30 posted on 12/21/2023 7:26:52 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Lazamataz

No! That is just excusing and helping to spread its inevitable abuse!


31 posted on 12/21/2023 7:29:33 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: ChicagoConservative27
grapple-with-the-vacuum

32 posted on 12/21/2023 7:31:36 AM PST by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Have to document every street stop? Liberal advocates of this idiocy might not like the logical consequence: “Papiers, bitte!”


33 posted on 12/21/2023 7:35:35 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Ahh more rules for the cops, this will change nothing and only make things worse in the long run. This type of legislation will have many unintended consequences that it will boggle the mind.

No solitary confinement? Ok, so a low level street thug gets tossed into the gen pop and low and behold, they get beaten to death, the cops get blamed for not protecting the perp, cops get sued, city pays millions, again.

No, the solution is to change the society so once again there is such thing as wrong and right, but hey we all know that WILL NEVER happen. Good luck.
34 posted on 12/21/2023 7:35:55 AM PST by The Louiswu (Pray for Peace in the world.)
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To: Paul46360

What’s wrong with the cops recording their encounters? If they’re not doing anything wrong then they have nothing to hide, right?

Isn’t that what they say to us when they stop us and want to violate our 4th and 5th Amendment rights?


35 posted on 12/21/2023 7:42:10 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Lazamataz

“Jails and prisons have their own little culture to deal with troublemakers. Guards often look the other way in these cases.”

That’s how you want things to go? Sure about that?

L


36 posted on 12/21/2023 7:45:19 AM PST by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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To: Openurmind

Speeds up the process of people making up their mind....exit NY City for peace of mind.


37 posted on 12/21/2023 7:52:19 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

True.


38 posted on 12/21/2023 7:57:36 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Another reason not to go to NYC.


39 posted on 12/21/2023 8:30:31 AM PST by ActresponsiblyinVA
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Why bother spending two minutes stopping a shoplifter if you have to spend 2 hours doing paperwork?


40 posted on 12/21/2023 8:31:56 AM PST by DouglasKC
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