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1 posted on 12/12/2023 12:47:45 AM PST by Mount Athos
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US now sending Lt. Gen. Antonio A. Aguto Jr (3 star) to spend lengthy times in Kiev, directly advising Ukraine military leadership on an ongoing basis (summary in my own words). This is not a one time or temporary visit


2 posted on 12/12/2023 12:51:46 AM PST by Mount Athos
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Oh, if only the valiant and strategically wise Vindman had been named Ukrainian Defense Minister. /sarc


3 posted on 12/12/2023 12:52:49 AM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX)
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Back in August, the New York Slimes said Ukraine was winning the counteroffensive.

Ukraine Makes ‘Tactically Significant’ Progress in Its Counteroffensive
The New York Times ^ | August 13, 2023

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/12/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war.html#:~:text=Ukraine%20Makes%20%27Tactically%20Significant%27%20Progress,the%20vital%20Kerch%20Strait%20Bridge.

4 posted on 12/12/2023 1:03:39 AM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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Here’s a strategy: Try to reach a peace agreement.


5 posted on 12/12/2023 1:05:57 AM PST by FreedomForce
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Impossible.
They were slaughtering the enemy on the gates of Baghdad last anyone said.


6 posted on 12/12/2023 1:20:52 AM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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“These Ukrainian generals and senior civilian officials have unrealistic expectations about what the United States will supply, they said. They are asking for millions of rounds of artillery, for example, from Western stockpiles that do not exist.”


That’s an interesting data point that has not been previously made public.

Biden sent cluster munitions in July and admitted they had run out of everything else.

DOD says they have sent more than 2 million shells to Ukraine in 21 months, that’s 3000 per day. US production in 2022 was only 500 per day. That was increased to 1000 per day earlier this year.

DOD says they can increase production to 3000 per day by the end of calendar 2025. That’s 24 months from now.

3000 per day out of inventory for 24 months would be another 2 million shells. Do they even have that?

I think part of this peace talk and new funding reluctance is Washington has nothing more to send.


8 posted on 12/12/2023 1:39:14 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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In the end, the West will have spent hundreds of billions only to lose territory. Russia will have spent far less and gained the territory they most wanted.


9 posted on 12/12/2023 2:04:41 AM PST by ArcadeQuarters (You can't remvove RINOs by voting for them!)
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Another issue.

If Ukraine is going on defence, mine-fields will be critical. We saw during the Counter-Offensive just how much they were part of Russia’s defence.

How is the US mine inventory ?

Is there any current production capability ? (yeah, right !)


10 posted on 12/12/2023 2:17:23 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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On one hand, I’m glad to see Russian victories. It seems like all of the globalist and leftist turds I can’t stand hate Putin and Russia. I’m talking about big business, Biden, homosexuals, the media, neocons, Pentagon swamp rats, pop culture elites, radical feminists, Rinos, $oros, trannies, and so on.

But on the other hand, the aforementioned human debris can and will make Russia out to be a “bogeyman” if Putin wins his war. They’ll demand unquestioned “loyalty” to the establishment and “our democracy.” Any opposition to Biden or questioning of Democrat voter fraud will be cast as “treason.”


12 posted on 12/12/2023 2:46:00 AM PST by Big Brother Go to Hell
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“...and flagging support for the country’s (Ukraine’s) war against Russia”

NARRATIVE ALERT!!!! Note how the NY Times is now blaming Ukraine by stating it’s Ukraine’s war against Russia. For Ukraine’s sake, they better start reading the tea leaves, because they’re about to be cut loose to fight ‘their war’.


19 posted on 12/12/2023 3:52:35 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone)
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Vietnam


20 posted on 12/12/2023 3:55:26 AM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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Here’s a new strategy: let’s take care of our own problems and our own border before getting involved in things that aren’t our problem.


21 posted on 12/12/2023 3:55:43 AM PST by GOPJ (Does Hannity have a DNC connected dominatrix feeding him questions? It would explain a lot.)
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U.S. strategy is to keep sending Ukraine solders thru the meat grinder.


22 posted on 12/12/2023 4:13:06 AM PST by tennmountainman (FUJB)
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Looking at the replies here I see the usual stuff, US is out of everything, can’t produce enough, need Ukraine to surrender to Putin to save Ukrainian lives…

Interesting how the “solution” only involves Ukraine giving, Putin not so much.

To begin, Putin can end this today, withdraw his troops.
Next, US is not the only producer, Europe, Korea and Ukraine to name a few
US shelves are empty, yup 31 abrams, several hundred Bradley’s and Strykers sent, O aircraft yup cupboard is bare /s

The issue was and is how and when weapons systems and the types/amounts were given.

Almost two years into the war and still no western aircraft with their capacities and capabilities. Short range atacms, cluster munitions given at the end of the offensive rather than at the beginning. Remember the 20’some helicopters destroyed by atacms, now imagine that happening last may. Imagine cluster munitions and the human wave attacks that were costly to the Russians but would have been 10 fold with these weapons. And there was no valid reason not to have given earlier.

The Russian invasion was stopped by a relatively small amount of western aid, himars and 777, javelins and a small amount of air defense checked Russian advances and resulted in Kharkiv and kherson successes.

What have the Russians accomplished since then, bloodbath to almost take bakmut and Andriyivka. Speaking in Ww2 terms, many here like to do , think the Wehrmacht would have been satisfied with those results.

All about “Ukranian” failures, would say 2nd largest military has failed, and the west has failed Ukraine by giving just enough to blunt the Russians, but not enough to defeat.

Again Kharkiv and Kherson were not “goodwill gestures”, the Russians were forced to do these withdrawals, and it would have been much worse for them if proper aid was given.

Militaries win wars, politicians lose wars

Go ahead flame away


23 posted on 12/12/2023 4:13:34 AM PST by blitz128
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How many times are we told they were so close to winning the war and Russia was almost defeated. I’ve lost count honestly. How about, you find a way for a truce, cease, fire, etc.


37 posted on 12/12/2023 11:57:04 AM PST by matt04 ( )
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