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To: Mount Athos

“These Ukrainian generals and senior civilian officials have unrealistic expectations about what the United States will supply, they said. They are asking for millions of rounds of artillery, for example, from Western stockpiles that do not exist.”


That’s an interesting data point that has not been previously made public.

Biden sent cluster munitions in July and admitted they had run out of everything else.

DOD says they have sent more than 2 million shells to Ukraine in 21 months, that’s 3000 per day. US production in 2022 was only 500 per day. That was increased to 1000 per day earlier this year.

DOD says they can increase production to 3000 per day by the end of calendar 2025. That’s 24 months from now.

3000 per day out of inventory for 24 months would be another 2 million shells. Do they even have that?

I think part of this peace talk and new funding reluctance is Washington has nothing more to send.


8 posted on 12/12/2023 1:39:14 AM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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American officials say Ukrainians have unrealistic expectations about what the US will supply.
They are asking for millions of rounds of artillery from Western stockpiles that do not exist.


Americans demand transparency WRT the effects of Biden’s
military drawdown on American families’ safety and security.


Dedicated public policy should be summarily adopted, and must unequivocally stipulate:
<><>tax dollars for foreign wars should never be considered, now or ever,
<><>no more Biden admin fantasies WRT endlessly financing foreign wars
<><>Ukraine’s end goal must be finalized in the Ukraine,
<><>U.S. commitment to Ukraine achieving that goal must of necessity be nil.


11 posted on 12/12/2023 2:25:23 AM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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To: Reverend Wright

The United States today does not have the industrial infrastructure to fight WWII. Germany and Japan were defeated because U.S. manufacturing was quickly converted to war production. Today, the U.S. lacks the factories, and manufacturing skills to fight a protracted war. The proxy war against Russia in Ukraine highlights this vulnerability.

Ironically the politicians who have insisted on the U.S. projecting its military power globally over the past 30 years also supported the one sided “free trade” policies that gutted US manufacturing and the middle class. Ukraine is proving the loss of US manufacturing and supply chains is a major Achilles heel for our military capability.

How can the U.S. win a war against China over Taiwan or the Philippines without going nuclear.? We do not have the industrial capacity to project forces and fight a lengthy conventional war against an industrial nation the size of China, particularly when we are dependent on that nation’s factories for so many consumer and commercial manufactured goods. In a war situation China willl embargo the U.S. Within a few weeks the shelves in American chain stores will be empty of manufactured products which cannot be replaced. Clearly we can’t manufacture the ammunition, much less the high tech missiles, aircraft, tanks and ships fast enough to sustain conventional combat against the Chinese military and industrial base. Throw in a biological attack on the homeland and sustained cyberattacks against the homeland’s electrical grid, water systems, aircraft control and banking systems.

At the beginning of WWII the U.S. was self sufficient in agriculture, manufacturing and energy with excess manufacturing capacity to convert to war production. The population shared the same moral values, love of country, and willingness to fight for the American dream. Two large oceans were a formidable logistical barrier against invasion. Today we have none of these advantages.


13 posted on 12/12/2023 2:47:31 AM PST by Soul of the South (The past is gone and cannot be changed. Tomorrow can be a better day if we work on )
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