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1 posted on 12/10/2023 5:29:55 AM PST by skimbell
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Because that Hearts and Minds stuff worked so well in Vietnam.


2 posted on 12/10/2023 5:36:50 AM PST by ComputerGuy (Heavily-medicated for your protection)
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Department of Offense needed?


3 posted on 12/10/2023 5:37:06 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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We’ve had this attitude since Korea.

Korea - stalemate and technically still ongoing.
Vietnam - loss
Gulf War I - stalemate with Iraq
Gulf War II - twenty years of occupation that ended in a humiliating withdrawal

America has two problems with its wars: 1) It is extremely adverse to U.S. casualties, and 2) It is extremely adverse to enemy civilian casualties.

And Greenfield is right, we think that once we occupy a country, they’ll fall in love with the American Dream and become allies. That hasn’t worked since WWII.


4 posted on 12/10/2023 5:39:26 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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Self serving Politicians run the Military. They don’t care about winning.


5 posted on 12/10/2023 5:39:27 AM PST by Chgogal (Welcome to Fuhrer Biden's Weaponized Fascist Banana Republic! It's the road to hell)
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We haven’t won since politicians started setting the ROE in the Korean War. We have sidelined the ones who know how to win for posturing clowns who can’t find their left foot. “You can’t bomb Haiphong!” Bull crap! Short wars saves lives on both sides. We pay our General to run wars, let them earned their pay. Meanwhile, sit down and STFU.


7 posted on 12/10/2023 5:42:01 AM PST by econjack
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What the generals have to say really doesn’t matter much. Ike and MacArthur were successful mainly because FDR had his head on straight. That’s where the buck stopped.

WW2 would have ended very differently had FDR been wishy-washy and open to compromise.

FDR: Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan must be defeated.

Contrast that with:
George W. Bush: Islam is peace.
Joe Biden: Cease-fire in Gaza, please.


8 posted on 12/10/2023 5:42:01 AM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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9 posted on 12/10/2023 5:42:02 AM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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You start with the hearts and minds right after the enemy has been destroyed. Then, they will listen. On a side note, Sec Def Austin looked like he hated being at the Army Navy Game.


13 posted on 12/10/2023 5:51:00 AM PST by Jolla
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We've forgotten this - The Purpose of Armies Is to Kill People and Break Things
14 posted on 12/10/2023 5:51:45 AM PST by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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Parents change the minds of fools with warnings first, punishments next, and rebuilding the relationships after the fools admit to their foolishness and sincerely repent of ever doing it again.

States need to break the will of the foolishness of their enemies the same way.


16 posted on 12/10/2023 5:58:59 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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The left and feminism will ultimately be America's downfall..

"A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left." Ecclesiastes 10:2

17 posted on 12/10/2023 6:00:04 AM PST by unread (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC..!)
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Money everyone is in on the money war brings to the table and in thier private bank accounts


18 posted on 12/10/2023 6:00:22 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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With all due respect, first you have to balance intersts, vital intersts, and the military power you have before entering a conflict - is something at stake worth the cost and could you even achieve it. Then you have to figure out what winning looks like defined in a way that it can be achieved. And then you need strategy, doctrine, tactics forces and will to achieve it

Once you understand the NK geography and doctrine of the enemy you realize two things: American tactics and capabilities could dominate in the South. We hadn't a hope in hell in the terrain in the North at least not unless we were willing to fight a massed up close and personal counterinsurgency in the mountains, a lesson we already learned in the South Pacific Island camapaign in WWII.

WWII was a total victory because the aim was to defeat the Nazi occupation. If our goal was democracy in Poland then we were ignominiously defeated.

21 posted on 12/10/2023 6:06:37 AM PST by AndyJackson
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I liken this to the people who fret about calling Pedo Joe a demented, pathetic old fool, because it is rude or “beneath us”.

There is little that is beneath the leftists, and we’re not going to defeat them by trying to spare their feelings.

22 posted on 12/10/2023 6:08:03 AM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell>)
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Many wars since WWII have been fought with the understanding of the Nuclear arsenal.

When countries have nuclear arsenals, they are not invaded.

25 posted on 12/10/2023 6:20:10 AM PST by marktwain
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The Socialist Marxist Dems don’t want the American people to win so the DNC can get control.


31 posted on 12/10/2023 6:33:25 AM PST by chopperk
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A military member’s competence is inversely proportional to his/her (most definitely NOT its) political correctness. Take a look at our laughable military DEI “leaders”. Be afraid. Be very afraid.


34 posted on 12/10/2023 6:51:58 AM PST by Da Coyote
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ping


36 posted on 12/10/2023 7:33:02 AM PST by Taxman ((SAVE AMERICA! VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2024! SAVE AMERICA!))
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Who was the sage who said, “Get ‘em by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow” ?


38 posted on 12/10/2023 8:14:47 AM PST by Flatus I. Maximus (You can vote your way into Socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it.)
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The enemy’s will to fight must be destroyed. Not just their means to fight.


40 posted on 12/10/2023 8:20:46 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting.)
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