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Victor Davis Hanson: How Were the Universities Lost?
American Greatness ^ | 7 Dec, 2023 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 12/07/2023 5:24:39 AM PST by MtnClimber

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To: ladyjane
I believe the term "general population" includes "all persons present in the USA."

The Census Bureau updates that number every two years, but they also use mathematical models to get to their final numbers.

They survey 2-3 million people every two years - then, extrapolate out.

However, I am pretty sure that illegal immigrants do not check the "illegal immigrant" box on the survey.

41 posted on 12/07/2023 8:29:45 AM PST by zeestephen (Trump "Lost" By 43,000 Votes - Spread Across Three States - GA, WI, AZ)
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To: Highest Authority

I work at a community college and even at this level I would contend that 80% of the faculty are either socialists or communists in their politics. Staff are probably 50/50 split. You know who you can talk to and who you can’t talk freely too. Our current president is a conservative but on many issues is told by his superiors you will support the leftist view or else.

I have debated faculty over free speech and their stances are frightening. They “support free speech but” they always have a caveat. I make a point of getting them to say this and then call them out, that in reality you do not support the 1st Amendment or freedom. The result is always red faced rage on their part.


42 posted on 12/07/2023 8:42:24 AM PST by sarge83
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To: ABN 505

No kidding. My brother graduated from the USNA in ‘97.

He can’t believe what it has become.


43 posted on 12/07/2023 8:44:33 AM PST by Texas resident (Biden=Obama=Jarrett=Soros)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Yep. Our ancestors failed to hang every domestic commie they could find. And it’s the only way to be sure.


44 posted on 12/07/2023 8:52:10 AM PST by curious7
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To: MtnClimber
The Ivy league and their kindred so-called elite campuses may soon go the way of Disney and Bud Light... Jewish students are also currently stereotyped as “white” and “privileged”—and thus considered as fair game on campus.

It's time to 'Bud Light' these indoctrination Centers...by all of us - the good people.

45 posted on 12/07/2023 8:52:24 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: MtnClimber

I love VDH but he is wrong on what will happen.
1) Sports $. The non-Ivy League/Stanford/MIT/Northwestern type schools have MASSIVE income from semi-pro sports.
2) Endowments. The endowments of most schools, esp. the Ivy League, is larger than the GNP of many nations. Even defections from half a dozen big donors won’t affect that in the least.
3) The Commie infrastructure built up over 30-50 years will require a dedicated, full time, top down McCarthy style purge of faculty and administrators. I don’t see anyone-—even President Trump-—having the dedication or time to pursue this.

They will rot, slowly, falling 4% in attandence in the last few years. And this may be steady, but I don’t see them getting much lower than 40% of the available student population.


46 posted on 12/07/2023 8:58:34 AM PST by LS
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To: MtnClimber
At the same time, the number of foreign students, especially from the oil-rich Middle East, has soared on campuses. Most are subsidized by their homeland governments. They pay the full, non-discounted tuition rates to cash-hungry universities... The net result is that there are now thousands of students from abroad, especially from the Middle East...

I posted this on November 17, 2023:


Student visas.

You can't radicalize college students without radicalizers there to start the movements. It is my contention that foreigners who are here on student visas from Europe and the Middle East are more apt to be agitators skilled in organizing protest rallies than are our students.

There are two forces in opposition at work here.

First, our own high school graduates who go to college aren't qualified to be there. High schools are graduating socially promoted students who can't pass standardized tests, who were taught by teachers who can't pass qualification tests, and who were raised on the belief of participation and effort, but not results.

Standardized tests are being dropped by universities as acceptance criteria, quotas are being put in place to ensure that the weakest amongst our children are the ones going to college, and early year curricula are being replaced with remedial high school courses.

It is into these institutions that our youth are being sent to learn how to become young adults, but they are not equipped to live on their own.

Second, the foreign students who come our universities are the exact opposite. They have the fortitude to travel to a foreign land, to live on their own in a different culture, and to be assertive in how they relate to other people regardless of the accomplishments of others or their positions in society. They have no respect for the authorities here and a hidden contempt for the culture of the west.

I believe that if we look at the anti-Israeli rallies and who actually organized them, if we look at the people with the megaphones and microphones, if we look at the speakers on the stages and in front of the cameras, we will see that they are the foreign students, while our American students are motivated simply to participate in and belong to something.

Ironically, according to US federal code, it is a deportable offense for anyone here on a visa to encourage terrorism, to endorse terrorist groups, or to encourage others to support terrorism or terrorist groups.

Obtaining a student visa is a privilege. The free speech of foreigners in this country is limited by US Code to not allow endorsing or encouraging terrorism or terrorist organizations.

According to 8 U.S. Code Subchapter V - ALIEN TERRORIST REMOVAL PROCEDURES via § 1531 and 8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens and 8 U.S. Code § 1227 - Deportable aliens - (a)(4)(b), endorsing or espousing terrorist activities or persuading others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization is a deportable offense.

See:

8 U.S. Code Chapter 12 - IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY

8 U.S. Code Subchapter V - ALIEN TERRORIST REMOVAL PROCEDURES

8 U.S. Code § 1531 - Definition


(1) the term “alien terrorist” means any alien described in section 1227(a)(4)(B) of this title;

8 U.S. Code § 1227 - Deportable aliens - (a)(4)(b)

(4) Security and related grounds
(B) Terrorist activities
Any alien who is described in subparagraph (B) or (F) of section 1182(a)(3) of this title is deportable.

8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens - (a)(3)

(a) Classes of aliens ineligible for visas or admission
(3) Security and related grounds
(B) Terrorist activities

(i) In general
Any alien who--

(VII) endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization;


One way to address this problem is to enforce US law and deport the foreign organizers of these rallies. Remove the students who are here mostly to agitate and radicalize our universities against the United States.


-PJ

47 posted on 12/07/2023 9:01:16 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: MtnClimber

It all started in the 1800’s with the advent of Darwinian evolution. Evolution, an idea that has been an intoxicating and highly addictive brew for the materialists, absolved professors from adhering to Truth and students from grappling with it.
If I can convince you that complex biological systems change form (species) based on survival dynamics, I will own your dumb ass for all time. And I can, with impunity, promote racism, economic class warfare, sexual immorality and much else to complete your subjugation and acquiescence to the state’s group thinking.


48 posted on 12/07/2023 9:02:42 AM PST by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: marktwain; MtnClimber
I need to get that book. I really like Christopher Rufo’s articles over at City Journal. I usually post them here on FR.

Ditto - his "Cluster B Society" really rang true for me.

He should be a well-known name here on FR.

49 posted on 12/07/2023 10:18:20 AM PST by spankalib
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To: spankalib

The “Cluster B Society” article was really great. I posted it on FR. I looked up Cluster A and C as well. That opened my eyes to some people I have dealt with in the past...hopefully not the future


50 posted on 12/07/2023 11:47:57 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: MtnClimber

Good for you! More ppl need to do that (become aware & avoid).


51 posted on 12/07/2023 12:23:45 PM PST by spankalib
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To: Alberta's Child; Alouette; Aria; BatGuano; beaversmom; bigfootbob; Brian Griffin; Cathi; cgk; ...
Ping! Out to the Victor Davis Hanson list

Better late than never Ping! out to the VDH list.

FR Index of his articles: Victor Davis Hanson on FR

Town Hall: Victor Davis Hanson on Town Hall

American Greatness: Victor Davis Hanson on American Greatness

His website: Victor Davis Hanson

Please let me know if you want on or off this new VDH ping list.

As a reminder, Professor Hanson has asked that we do not post the full article of his writings. Thank you for following the link to finish his article.

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52 posted on 12/07/2023 3:24:41 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:

[From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture—education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [”]united force[”] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.


53 posted on 12/07/2023 3:30:26 PM PST by unread (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC..!)
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To: LS

What is the principled conservative’s position on an “Ivy League contribution to America’s recovery” endowment levy? Kind of like a communist import tariff?


54 posted on 12/08/2023 6:10:38 PM PST by AB AB AB (Dan Rather: "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things.")
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To: Pearls Before Swine; chuckee; FLT-bird

MIT has been going downhill for at least 20 years. Years ago, it seemed like they were trying to “be Harvard” and I did not understand why. Harvard is Harvard and for MIT to aspire to be like them struck me as a step down. MIT kept bragging about its liberal arts credentials more and more.

Back in the day NO ONE went to MIT for liberal arts. (And they SHOULDN’T, because they are taking a slot away from someone who wants to be a scientist or engineer.) The only students who ended up with liberal arts degrees were IMO those who couldn’t make it in science and engineering.

Another thing that has contributed to the downfall of MIT is their selection of Institute Presidents. They used to always be chosen from MIT alumni. That ended in 1990. Since then they’ve had 4 non-alum presidents including 2 women and one foreigner. They did not understand the culture of MIT and certainly did not nurture it. Nothing against women or foreigners, but they all seemed to be far more interested in social engineering than in real engineering.


55 posted on 12/08/2023 6:17:33 PM PST by generally ( Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
The Universities were lost over a century ago.

Do tell?

Or can’t you?

Something before 1923?

56 posted on 12/08/2023 6:24:42 PM PST by AB AB AB (Dan Rather: "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things.")
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To: AB AB AB

Frankfurt school


57 posted on 12/08/2023 6:30:09 PM PST by bankwalker (Repeal the 19th ...)
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To: MtnClimber

Agenda: Grinding America Down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw8s-_kVGXw


58 posted on 12/08/2023 6:37:40 PM PST by jonrick46 (Leftniks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: generally

Preach it, brother.


59 posted on 12/08/2023 8:53:31 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: AB AB AB

Sure.

It is pretty well known that John Dewey did much of the legwork to create what we know today as the modern progressive school, which includes both university and children/young adults. That goes back to the 1930s.

Dewey himself was indoctrinated, this goes back to the 1880s. One of his professors, George Sylvester Morris, was an ardent Hegelian.

Universities had been captured well before then, however. The bread and butter of progressivism, Public Administration - which really is just the deep state, was a well established field by the turn of 1900. That is owed to Woodrow Wilson and his “Study of Administration”

(Text or audio)
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Political_science_quarterly/F1BEAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA197
https://librivox.org/short-nonfiction-collection-vol-088-by-various/

There was also pressure from students themselves by the ISS - the Intercollegiate Socialist Society.

You know the ISS even though you don’t realize it. The ISS renamed themselves to the LID- the League for Industrial Democracy. That may seem unimportant, but the LID renamed themselves again in the 60’s to SDS - the Students for a Democratic Society. Now you know.

Here, this book is from 1920. The professors were already well entrenched in statist views.

Making socialists out of college students; a story of professors and other collegians who hobnob with radicals.
https://archive.org/details/MakingSocialistsOutOfCollegeStudentsAStoryOfProfessorsAndOther


60 posted on 12/09/2023 3:38:37 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (The historians must be stopped. They're destroying everything.)
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