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Israel and Ukraine are fighting the same fight
The Hill ^ | 12/04/2023 | JULIE FISHMAN RAYMAN

Posted on 12/04/2023 12:47:07 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27

At first glance, the wars in Israel and Ukraine seem unrelated and bear little similarity. One is a rapid-response counterterrorism operation, the other a years-long, multi-front defensive action focused on reclaiming and protecting sovereign territory.

But what is at stake in both conflicts will have rippling effects for generations to come, far beyond Israel and Ukraine. These are existential struggles against murderous aggressors who possess no regard for human rights or civil liberties.

Unprovoked, both Hamas and Russia used spurious historical justifications as casus belli to invade democratic countries that they wish to wipe off the map.

Their position is unambiguous. The founding charter of Hamas, written in 1988, clearly outlines the goal to “raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine.”

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Oh BS.
1 posted on 12/04/2023 12:47:07 PM PST by ChicagoConservative27
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To: ChicagoConservative27

It’s true. Both are countries run by the cabal who instigates wars against the interest of the people, and both are used as proxies for dark, hidden crimes against humanity.


2 posted on 12/04/2023 12:51:10 PM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Yeah, sorry. They aren’t.


3 posted on 12/04/2023 12:51:11 PM PST by struggle
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To: ChicagoConservative27

What’s the Ukrainian-Israeli connection?


4 posted on 12/04/2023 12:52:29 PM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Roberor thert Heinlein)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
What do you find objectional?

She quoted their own words.

5 posted on 12/04/2023 12:55:56 PM PST by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

No they aren’t and neither need our money either.


6 posted on 12/04/2023 12:56:27 PM PST by dforest
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To: mrmeyer

Nazis in one place. Jews in the other.


7 posted on 12/04/2023 12:57:21 PM PST by dforest
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To: ChicagoConservative27
They are significantly different.

The Ukraine war is simple imperialism, which became a proxy war.

The Hamas barbarism is run of the mill Islamic theocracy, 6th century tribal barbarism.

8 posted on 12/04/2023 12:57:37 PM PST by marktwain
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Likud platform

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
9 posted on 12/04/2023 1:01:50 PM PST by JSM_Liberty
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“Me-too Zelensky” hired a new PR firm once he got a whiff of Biden’s arms stockpile to Israel.


wsj.com
WSJ NEWS EXCLUSIVE
By Jared Malsin and Nancy A. Youssef
Dec. 1, 2023 1:34 pm ET

Biden Sends Israel Hundreds of Millions of Dollars of Arms
Includes 100 powerful 2000-Pound Bunker Buster Bombs, 15,000 smaller bombs, 57,000 artillery shells, 1,000 GBU-39 small diameter bombs

Biden has provided Israel with tens of thousands of weapons and artillery shells. The surge of arms, including roughly 15,000 bombs and 57,000 artillery shells, began shortly after the Oct. 7 attack and has continued in recent days, the officials said. The U.S. hasn’t previously disclosed the total number of weapons sent nor has it mentioned the transfer of 100 BLU-109, 2,000-pound bunker buster bombs.

The airlift of hundreds of millions of dollars in US munitions, primarily on C-17 military cargo planes flying from the U.S. to Tel Aviv, as the Biden administration urges them to consider preventing large-scale civilian casualties while supplying many of the munitions deployed.

Some security analysts say the US weapons giveaways could undercut Biden’s pressure on Israel to protect civilians. “It seems inconsistent with reported exhortations to use smaller-diameter bombs,” said a senior adviser at the nonprofit International Crisis Group, and a former attorney-advisor at the State Department.

Unlike US arms to Ukraine where the U.S. has published regular updates on some of the weapons it has provided, Washington has disclosed little about how many and what types of weapons it has sent to Israel.

Biden officials say the lack of disclosure is partly b/c US weapons to Israel come through different mechanisms, including military sales. U.S. military aid to Israel amounts to some $3.8 billion every year.

The US arsenal of artillery, bombs, other weapons and military gear have been used in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Somalia and Libya, to target large groups of gathered enemy forces. By contrast, the tiny state of Israel is making ground incursions, battling militants who are among civilians in dense urban environments.

“They are kind of the weapons of choice for the fights we had in Afghanistan and Syria in open, nonurban areas,” said a former deputy assistant secretary of defense and officer in the Marine Corps and C.I.A. “The U.S. may use them in more urban areas, but first it would do a lot of target analysis to make sure the attack was proportional and based on military necessity.”

The Israeli Prime Minister’s Office and the Ministry of Defense didn’t respond to a request for comment on the weapons transfers. The White House National Security Council didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.

On one hand, Israel’s military says it takes precautions to protect civilians, but has also said its air force trikes were causing “maximum damage.”

According to an internal US govt list of the weapons described to The WSJ, among the arms the U.S. has handed over to Israel include:
<><>57,000 155mm artillery shells
<><>more than 5,000 Mk82 unguided or “dumb” bombs,
<><>more than 5,400 Mk84 2,000 pound warhead bombs,
<><>around 1,000 GBU-39 small diameter bombs,
<><>approximately 3,000 JDAMs, which turn unguided bombs into guided “smart” bombs,
<><>BLU-109 bunker busters w/ 2,000 pound warheads designed to penetrate concrete shelters.

Military analysts say the transfer of large bombs to Israel illustrates the choices facing the Israeli military as it attempts to wipe out Hamas in Gaza, a tiny, densely populated ribbon of land that is home to more than two million Palestinians. Israel urged more than a million civilians to leave the northern part of the Gaza Strip to give its military a freer hand there, but tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians have remained in the area.

The U.S. has transferred about 1,000 GBU-39 small diameter bombs to Israel to help dislodge Hamas from Gaza.

In Gaza, Hamas’s military wing also uses a vast network of underground tunnels, which Israel could attempt to strike with the bunker busters, analysts say. The tunnels however lie beneath Gaza’s urban landscape of apartment blocks, schools, hospitals, and other civilian buildings.

U.S. officials say Israel used an American-provided bomb with a large payload in one of the deadliest strikes of the entire war, an attack that leveled an apartment block in Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp, killing more than 100 people. Israel said the strike killed a Hamas leader.

“There is potentially a legitimate use for these things, to bust underground bunkers,” said Finucane, the former attorney-advisor at the State Department. “The problem is there’s a massive refugee camp with hundreds of thousands of civilians on top of those tunnels when you drop the bomb. You need to factor in the harm to civilians.”

The U.S. has also sent Israel roughly 57,000 155mm artillery shells—a key munition the U.S. has also provided Ukraine since the 2022 Russian invasion—along with thousands of other artillery shells and various small arms.

Even before the US armed the war in Gaza, the nation’s 155mm artillery rounds were in such short supply that the U.S. was forced to reach deep into its global stockpiles and turned to allies South Korea and Japan, among other countries, to provide more arms to Ukraine.

Vivian Salama in Dubai contributed to this article.


10 posted on 12/04/2023 1:14:40 PM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

they are both fighting to conquer as many US dollars as possible.


11 posted on 12/04/2023 1:16:15 PM PST by MNDude
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Hmmmmm...........by the looks of that arms list, Biden is
smarting after getting a well-deserved Hebraic tongue lashing.

“Overcompensating” comes to mind.

Has to nail that Jewish vote.

Yet, as one FReeper posted, Biden would still get 70% of the Jewish vote in 2024
<><>even if he flew the Nazi flag over federal buildings in downtown DC
<><>and personally supervised the operations of a Nazi concentration camp in Delaware
<><>with the acquiescence of reliable Del Dems (who never even knew they were voting for him).


12 posted on 12/04/2023 1:17:50 PM PST by Liz (Women have tremendous power — their femininity, because men can't do without it. Sidney Sheldon)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Look at who is supporting these nations. Israel is fighting one world government — that’s why the UN and the EU oppose it. Ukraine is favored by one world government — that’s why the UN and the EU favor it.


13 posted on 12/04/2023 1:18:50 PM PST by Socon-Econ (adi)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

One-world Globalists view world order based on nation-states and nationalism as their ideological nemesis. They see nation-states that have regional powers and ambitions as their immediate threat. Russia, China, EU, Israel, India and Islamic nations have to be neutralized for globalists to win. So their geo-strategy is instigate them against each other and let them divide and neutralize each other. So pitting larger nation-state against bordering nation-state, one regional power against another regional power, nation-state against regional power, nation-state against sub-nationalism has been their geo-politics and war games. Biden has made his globalist strategy so blatant and obvious that it has awakened rest of world that will make sure his global reset will surely fail.


14 posted on 12/04/2023 1:58:54 PM PST by kp2hot
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To: reasonisfaith

How was your visit at stormfront?


15 posted on 12/04/2023 2:02:11 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: MNDude

More crap comes out of your mouth. It’s not the same and you know it.


16 posted on 12/04/2023 2:03:36 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

same war? NO!


17 posted on 12/04/2023 2:03:52 PM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: dforest

Take all the Globalist org money and give it to Israel.


18 posted on 12/04/2023 2:07:03 PM PST by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA! DEATH TO MARXISM AND LEFTISM! AMERICA, COWBOY UP!)
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To: mrmeyer

“What’s the Ukrainian-Israeli connection?”

There isn’t one. The Ukraine is fighting to remain separated from Russia in a decision to get that way in 1991 when the soviets fell and not within the agreements with the new establishing Russian government.

Israel is a country in itself that was established in 1948 that included land under GAZA and Palestine that are still not recognized as independent states by many to include the US as both are sitting on Iraeli land. And in both cases neither has established stationary boundries. And both are governed by name terrorist groups, in Gaza hamas, and in Palestine the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and general commander of the Fatah movement which is a radical Sunni Islamist group that formed in November 2006 in a Palestinian refugee camp, located in Lebanon. They tolerate each other.

wy69


19 posted on 12/04/2023 2:13:09 PM PST by whitney69 (yption tunnels)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Ukieorcs - hamas

Are dnc marxist tools

To take the Jews - Christians down


20 posted on 12/04/2023 2:16:03 PM PST by Firehath (Quackery - An irrelevant simplification / undetected Complex problem - attacking symptoms)
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