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To: MeganC

So? Does the Navy train female pilots any differently than male pilots? It was also raining and very windy that day.


7 posted on 12/04/2023 4:56:36 AM PST by al_c (Democrats: Party over Common Sense)
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Environmental impacts feared after Navy aircraft overshoots runway, ends up in Kaneohe Bay

Not sure about the environmental effect in the bay, but that pilot will have a highly radioactive personnel folder from now on.

10 posted on 12/04/2023 5:02:43 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt ( )
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To: al_c

USN Pilots are all trained to fly and land in adverse weather conditions.

1 mile visibility and gusts to 21 kts is not bad, well above minimums. *IF* it was a full 21 kt crosswind, that’s a bit dicey, but still doable.

Getthereitis may be the root cause.


12 posted on 12/04/2023 5:06:18 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: al_c

The point is that runway is much longer than Chicago Midway and southwest lands that same plane there every 5 minutes so day long… in all kinds of weather. Navy pilots are supposed to be the pinnacle. Nobody crashes Navy patrol planes.
This crew was picked for PR reasons and likely passed into duty for three same reasons.


13 posted on 12/04/2023 5:12:08 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: al_c

Runway there is 7721 feet long. PLENTY long to land a 737, which is what the P-8 is based on.

There’s a bunch to understand before blame is placed: pilot v mechanical v fuel state v weather. On and on.

Give it some time.


14 posted on 12/04/2023 5:13:31 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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To: al_c
Does the Navy train female pilots any differently than male pilots?

Yes. The Center for Military Readiness published just one of many such reports that highlight the double standard in Naval aviation where female pilots were passed in training programs where a man would have been washed out.

https://www.cmrlink.org/data/sites/85/CMRDocuments/CMRRPT09-0695.pdf

16 posted on 12/04/2023 5:24:29 AM PST by T.B. Yoits
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My first tour of duty was at NAS Barbers Point, HI (closed during BRAC) flying P-3 Orions. I can honestly tell you that 21-knots of wind and rain are nothing unusual on Oahu at any time of year. Simple pilot error imho.


33 posted on 12/04/2023 6:28:51 AM PST by Afterguard
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To: al_c

Naval aviation training, especially, prepares you for rainy and windy days.

Fly into Palm Springs on any summer day. Harrowing. Wind is a factor every day.


41 posted on 12/04/2023 6:55:57 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: al_c
Does the Navy train female pilots any differently than male pilots?

Given that the US military has both written and unwritten double standards for men and women in many areas, my guess is yes.

I know that there were multiple standards for women, minorities, and politically connected trainees when I went through USAF pilot training in the early 1990's

62 posted on 12/04/2023 9:25:24 AM PST by Mr.Unique (My boss wants me to sign up for a 401K. No way I'm running that far! )
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