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1 posted on 11/30/2023 6:48:28 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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Yup.


2 posted on 11/30/2023 6:51:45 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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The New York Times

*SPIT*

3 posted on 11/30/2023 6:52:36 PM PST by tomkat
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Same thing bit us on 9/11, underestimating the enemy always wrecks you.


4 posted on 11/30/2023 6:53:05 PM PST by Continuty122
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Hmmm...who believes the left-wing hamas loving NY Times?

I don’t.


5 posted on 11/30/2023 6:53:33 PM PST by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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7 posted on 11/30/2023 6:56:30 PM PST by Theoria
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You may know of a plan
You may know of ill intent
You may know of bad wishes

But until someone does someone; all you have is a thought crime


8 posted on 11/30/2023 6:57:10 PM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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“ raising questions about how Hamas gathered its intelligence and whether there were leaks inside the Israeli security establishment.”

Maybe it was the 20,000 or so Hamas “day workers” Obama demanded the Israelis take in every month. They couldn’t possibly have been spies.

FU NYT.

L


9 posted on 11/30/2023 7:00:35 PM PST by Lurker ( Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is. )
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Intelligence heads had the write up of the plan from two different observers who were brushed off. They had reports from the border observers that Hamas were practicing raids and testing border strength, many reports from the young women soldiers who staff the posts, the ones who were killed and captured when Hamas broke through.

The heads were told it would be on a holiday with reduced forces. Aspirational? Play-acting for the young wannabe jihadis? No way.

Israel isn’t stupid. Their intelligence is most profoundly not stupid nor in denial. Their upper intelligence echelons wanted this to happen. 1200 Israelis, ten times as many Palestinians so far - thousands of eggs into a grand omelet. To what end?


10 posted on 11/30/2023 7:04:19 PM PST by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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We underestimated the Japanese in WW2. Didn't think they could build something like the Zero.

Germans didn't think the Russians could built a better tank than what they had...the T-34 was a wake up.

11 posted on 11/30/2023 7:04:48 PM PST by ealgeone
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Only quibble I have with Israel is why Gaza doesn’t cease to exist yet.


12 posted on 11/30/2023 7:05:22 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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Ah... someone is spinning crap for anti-Bibi political advantage I see.

Anyway, so what? The idea that Hamas is going to attack is a constant for Israel. Hindsight is awesome. But I seriously doubt the truth is as presented.

The truth is that a huge element of the intel community and military just a few months ago was supporting the judicial reform street riots and protests. They and all those protesters bear as much responsibility as anyone. THEY prevented Bibi from being able to move to protect the nation and would have instantly used such moves against him.

In short, this story is pure, USDA Prime, 100% gold plated leftard bullshit.


14 posted on 11/30/2023 7:07:30 PM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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And the New York slime knew about Walter Duranty and did nothing, and they still consider themselves a reputable source of “news.” NONSENSE!!
18 posted on 11/30/2023 7:23:55 PM PST by Fungi
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“raising questions about how Hamas gathered its intelligence”

Previous FR thread stated that Israel had about 10k daily Gaza residence workers.

Easy to see that they would report to Hamas what they observed inside Israel.

19 posted on 11/30/2023 7:25:03 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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It seems like most times when the US has a mass shooting event, the FBI will just shrug and say, “We had that guy on our radar ...”

Does the NYT find that interesting? Or do they just want to bash the Jews?


20 posted on 11/30/2023 7:25:43 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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Netanyahu was being attacked by the despicable Israeli Left just as was Trump. It diverted them from being ABLE to do their jobs.


21 posted on 11/30/2023 7:28:12 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper (Figures )
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I am not surprised.


22 posted on 11/30/2023 7:29:33 PM PST by lastchance (Cognovit Dominus qui sunt eius.)
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This prior knowledge is part of the reason Israel is set on Hamas destruction.

If you know the plan and you are even watching them training for the attack, they can still take you by surprise if you let your guard down even once.

You simply can't stay ready 24/7 year in and year out.

Hamas did a great job on the operational security, they timed the attack perfectly and they had the music concert and the movement of 20,000 guest workers going to work to help disguise their attack.

Israel was VERY on this one. They only faced an attack by Gaza and even the limited missile barrages overwhelmed the Iron Dome interceptors and depleted Israel's stockpiles of the interceptor missiles.

If this had been a more serious attack Israel could have been seriously damaged or even wiped out.

A combined missile attack from Hamas and Hezbollah would have completely saturated Israels missile defense systems and the use of Iran's more capable short range ballistic missiles could have done serious damage to the air force, the nuclear weapons facility, and the IDF weapons stockpiled.

Serious damage would also be done to Israel's population centers causing much death and destruction

Worst of all, with the confusion and the all the missiles flying through the air combined with the radar and counter measures saturating the ISR systems, Iran could easily use the clutter to sneak in some of their pretty darn capable stealth cruise missiles loaded with conventional, chem/bio and nuclear (either bomb or dirty bomb) and do serious precision damage.

29 posted on 11/30/2023 7:53:26 PM PST by rdcbn1
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The NYT wants to put a smile on their hamas buddies faces by watching Israel consumed with navel gazing instead of destroying the savages. The stench of Obamatollah in this devious planted story. 40 pages. Ha ha. Why not 43 or 26 or 100.


31 posted on 11/30/2023 8:02:04 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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How did the NYT obtain this document? The source will come out sooner or later, so they might as well fess up


39 posted on 11/30/2023 8:23:02 PM PST by Long Jon No Silver (Rrily)
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Not true. Israeli intelligence admitted they were “put to sleep” by Hamas over a 2 year period when it made overtures trying to improve the quality of life for Gazans. This had been in the planning for a long time.


50 posted on 11/30/2023 9:04:47 PM PST by Salvavida
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