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No, The U.S. Shouldn’t Push Israel To Create A Palestinian State
The Federalist ^ | 11/28/2023 | David Harsanyi

Posted on 11/28/2023 10:28:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Sure, the Israel-Gaza situation is bad right now. But that is no reason to make it worse.

“Ultimately,” contends Sen. Chris Murphy, the next Israeli government “is going to have to put us back on a path to have a Palestinian state. That’s not easy, but it is the only way forward for Israel, is the only way forward for long-term peace.”

Well, it’s not the only way forward, right? Israel could clamp down on Palestinian autonomy until the violence against innocent Jewish civilians stops, and residents start living peacefully with their neighbors and begin accepting history’s outcomes. That’s another option.

While the situation today is appalling, creating a three-front Iran-backed terror state on the borders of a nation the size of New Jersey would make things significantly worse. No sane citizenry would sign off on such a suicidal policy. No genuine ally would pressure a friend to do it.

But that is exactly what a new country called “Palestine” is destined to be: an Islamic autocracy and, more than likely, a proxy of Iran (who may well have nuclear weapons at some point).

Perhaps Murphy is unaware that the last time Israelis handed autonomy of Gaza to the Palestinian Authority in 2005 — ejecting thousands of Jews who would otherwise have been murdered by the only “ethnic cleansers” in this conflict — it quickly lost power. Does any sentient person believe that Hamas or the Islamic Jihad or Muslim Brotherhood-proper wouldn’t end up running a Palestinian state again? Does Murphy want to send in American troops to Gaza when they do? Because Israel, compelled to act on the inevitable provocations from this freshly created nation with unfettered access to weaponry, surely would. The resulting war would be deadlier than the one going on now.

And, rest assured, when Hamas runs a state in the West Bank that bumps right up against major civilian Jewish populations, it won’t be “us” — certainly not a Connecticut politician’s home — that are targeted by missiles.

These days, we keep hearing how Hamas is a tyrannical organization that doesn’t truly represent the will of the Palestinian people. If they only had real elections, things would be different. This, too, is either a lie or wishful thinking.

While Hamas might not be quite as popular with Palestinians as it is with American Ivy League students, it nevertheless garners significant support. In 2021, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research found that 53 percent of Palestinians believed Hamas was “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14 percent preferred the somewhat less terroristic Fatah. Most polls show similar or more enthusiastic support for Hamas. It’s the reason there hasn’t been an election in the West Bank in over a decade. Hamas would win. Easily.

It doesn’t have to be this way. Palestinian culture is steeped in generational, self-destructive, virulent animosity toward Jews that manifests in waves of extremism and violence. This was the case in the early 20th century when Arabs began sporadically massacring Jews before Israel existed, throughout the 1940s when Palestinian leadership embraced Hitler and during a post-war faux nationalism phase (also before Israel existed), in the 1960s when the Palestine Liberation Organization introduced the world to modern terrorism (before “occupied territories” existed), and to the present Islamist iteration of that violence.

Yet, Palestinians, and their defenders, remain the only people in the world who think they can reset history every time they lose a war of aggression. Their very claim to a state is contingent on the myth that Israel invaded and “occupied” the West Bank and Gaza (and Tel Aviv) in an act of colonialism, when in reality the “occupied territories” were taken in defensive wars against Egypt and (the existing Palestinian-majority state of) Jordan.

Palestinians have no historical or moral claim to a state. No more than dozens of largely peaceful minority populations around the world, from the Tibetans to the Kurds to the Hmong. Less so, in fact. An independent Arab Palestine has never existed. It didn’t exist under Ottoman rule or the British Mandate or, in the end, under the Partition Plan when every Arab state and Palestinian leadership attacked the Jews. Before 1967, there was no call for a Palestinian state because the entire project was a concoction of Arab nations and their Soviet backers. A cudgel against the Zionist entity.

But forget history. Forget that you can dig anywhere in the ground and find ancient Jewish artifacts. Forget that Israel offered Arabs back the land on numerous occasions in exchange for basic recognition. More importantly, there is zero evidence that Palestinian self-governance will lead to more peace — quite the opposite, in fact.

Murphy’s notion that the only way to bring about coexistence is to reward the vilest act of Jewish murder since the Holocaust speaks to the destructive, insular, morally confused nature of the Brookings-approved D.C. blobthink. Every time the sides revisit the negotiations on the terms dictated by these people, it ends in disappointment and, inevitably, violence.

You’ll notice, as well, that the same people who never shy away from lecturing Israel about its alleged sins against “democracy” make no demands of the Palestinian tyrants who run the West Bank or Gaza. Murphy, to be clear, is proposing a state in which citizens will have no voting and due process rights, minority populations will be subjugated, and summary executions and torture of political opponents will be the norm. And that is the best-case scenario. In “Palestine,” the West will be rooting for a corrupt autocracy over violent religious nihilism.

Fortunately, this state can’t be willed into existence by Hamas-friendly newspaper and editorial boards, nor by resolution-happy tyrants at the United Nations. And that’s fine. Just as there is no independent Hungarian nation in Transylvania and no Republic of Basque, there may never be a “Palestine” — or rather, a second Palestine (Jordan being the first).

Nothing says there has to be. Yes, the situation might be intractable right now. But that is no reason to make it worse.



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Gaza; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: israel; palestine

1 posted on 11/28/2023 10:28:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
The two-state solution is already in place: the other state is Transjordan (today it's called Jordan). Jews living in Jordan moved to Israel ... but Arabs living in Israel weren't forced to move to Jordan (as was done when India and Pakistan were set up as a two-state solution).

So to anyone who says a two-state solution is needed in Israel, the response should be to implement the one already set up (force the Arabs into Jordan).

2 posted on 11/28/2023 10:31:57 AM PST by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is it up to Israel to create a Palestine?

Isn’t that up to the UN? Of course, they want to wipe the jews from the earth as well....


3 posted on 11/28/2023 10:34:57 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: Tell It Right

Many did move to Jordan. After many years of sitting in refugee camps, Jordan sent them back.


4 posted on 11/28/2023 10:35:47 AM PST by Vermont Lt (Don’t vote for anyone over 70 years old. Get rid of the geriatric politicians.)
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To: SeekAndFind
While the situation today is appalling, creating a three-front Iran-backed terror state on the borders of a nation the size of New Jersey would make things significantly worse. No sane citizenry would sign off on such a suicidal policy. No genuine ally would pressure a friend to do it.

And yet isn’t this exactly what Israel did in 1948?

The “two state solution” isn’t something that the U.S. government fabricated out of thin air over the last 25 years. It was the basis for the original partition of Palestine when the British gave up control of it after WW2.

5 posted on 11/28/2023 10:37:56 AM PST by Alberta's Child (If something in government doesn’t make sense, you can be sure it makes dollars.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no Palestinian statehood movement. There is no Palestine as a country. Never was one. The first use of the term “Palestine” (or something close to it) traces back to the Greco-Roman period. It was used to describe a region, not a nation or people group. What we now call “Palestinians” are Arabs who have no affinity for a nation called “Palestine.” Under the British Mandate, “Palestinian” referred to anyone living in the region, including the Jews that lived in there. There is no Palestinian Arab solution that would include an Arab homeland there. This is a pipe dream dreamed up by Western liberals to perpetuate the myth of POC eternal victimhood. Bill Clinton pretended there was a solution in which land would be carved out and offered to Palestinian Arabs for nation building in return for peace. The Arabs rejected it. They don’t want that. There is now and never will be a country of “Palestine.” Won’t happen!


6 posted on 11/28/2023 10:44:18 AM PST by WKTimpco
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To: SeekAndFind

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7 posted on 11/28/2023 10:49:13 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: SeekAndFind

A 2 state solution was offered several times. It was refused only because it did not include the murder of all the Jews.

Anyone pushing for 2 state solution now is advocating murdering the rest of the Jews.

Over half a century ago the World returned the area of palestine to the Jews who were there for thousands of years — having been pushed out by the colonizing Arabs. Now, they are being pushed out by Hitler’s little buddies.


8 posted on 11/28/2023 11:02:38 AM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo, )
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To: SeekAndFind

I disagree. They should create a new state for the Gazanians on Antarctica...


9 posted on 11/28/2023 11:03:16 AM PST by null and void (If you support monsters you will die in the cross fire.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t want palestinian dirtbags here, that’s for sure.


10 posted on 11/28/2023 11:03:36 AM PST by Captainpaintball (America needs a Conservative DICTATOR if it hopes to survive. )
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To: SeekAndFind

A political solution to a religious war is no solution at all. Then again, politicians are great at “kicking the can down the road” diplomacy.


11 posted on 11/28/2023 11:04:21 AM PST by glennaro (Never give up ... never give in ... never surrender ... and enjoy every minute of doing so.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Palestinians have been a global welfare-dependent crowd for the last 40 years. The rest of the world has tried to turn them into a legitimate “state” when they are not.

Its as if outside powers recognized BLM as the legitimate rulers of Chicago - and treated them as such.

Israel will go a different way. I think they will now try to administer Gaza directly as part of Israel, acting as a “mayor” handing out money, aid, power and development to their accepted agents - with a heavy dose of social-credit and biometrics (aka China/Xinjiang) to help the process.


12 posted on 11/28/2023 11:13:51 AM PST by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

The US should sell Israel all the weapons they wish to buy and then stay the hell out of it. Israel should know that the US is an unreliable partner and do what they need to decouple from us.


13 posted on 11/28/2023 11:23:32 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Especially ,since we have the head anti-Semite-BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
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14 posted on 11/28/2023 12:20:01 PM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: SeekAndFind

Palestinians were offered their own state in 1948, and again in the Clinton administration. Rejected.


15 posted on 11/28/2023 1:14:47 PM PST by aimhigh (1 John 3:23 "And THIS is His commandment . . . . ")
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Israel should find a friendly partner in the Islamic world, possibly a moderate country like morocco or possibly Libya and work out a deal, let the Palestinian people go there and resettle with some sort of international economic assistance, it would likely be a glorified refugee camp but at least they would have a relatively pleasant existence and Israel would be free from them and could settle the lands already allotted to them in the Bible. Some Israeli citizens are already Arabs and if any Palestinians wanted to stay on in the new arrangement, if they passed a security screening and signed declarations to abide by terms and conditions, it would be feasible for a few to stay.

I would guess if this happened, various Islamic states would squawk and threaten but after a while people would forget about it and Israel’s security problems would then be confined to southern Lebanon and hezbollah, plus Iran on a larger scale.

Palestinians in general have proven to be untrustworthy neighbors and negotiation “partners” and it’s time to give them a take it or leave it final offer if they don’t want to live under permanent military occupation.


16 posted on 11/28/2023 2:03:44 PM PST by Peter ODonnell (Prayers up for Jim Robinson and family ... an island of sanity in a sea of madness. )
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