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America’s Runaway Debt Scenario: $1,000,000,000,000 In Interest - One Fifth of All the Money the Federal Government Collects
Epoch Times ^ | 11/23/2023 | Petr Svab

Posted on 11/23/2023 8:37:00 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The U.S. federal government has borrowed so much money that, over the past year, it has had to spend one-fifth of all the money it collected just on debt interest—which came to almost $880 billion.

Americans paid some $450 billion less in income taxes for the year, trapping the government in the pincers of a fiscal crunch.

The country teeters on the brink of a debt spiral that could devolve into a fiscal crisis or hyperinflation, several economists told The Epoch Times.

The problem is serious because, any way you cut it, taxpayers are paying interest on the mountain of debt that has been accumulated,” said Steve Hanke, a professor of applied economics at Johns Hopkins University. “In short, they are paying something for nothing.”

Congress must dramatically curb deficit spending to instill confidence in investors—who seem to be losing faith in America’s ability to satisfy its obligations, some suggest.

“Deficit spending by the U.S. government is in a runaway scenario," said Mark Thornton, a senior fellow at the classical liberal Mises Institute. "The amount of money that they're borrowing is at extremely elevated levels and there doesn’t seem to be any regulation or even mild attempts to curb the spending side of the fiscal equation.”

Gigantic Debt

Government debt stood above $33 trillion in fiscal year 2023 (the 12 months that ended on Sept. 30). That’s about $1.7 trillion more than the year before. Interest on the debt has been growing steadily for decades, although at a relatively slow pace to about $570 billion in 2019 from about $350 billion in 1995—an annual increase of some 2 percent.

With the explosion of government spending during the COVID-19 pandemic and the subsequent interest rate increases by the Federal Reserve, the debt cost has skyrocketed by more than 50 percent between 2019 and 2023. Over the past year, it has already surpassed the entire military budget.

The cost is expected to keep growing as old debt issued at low interest rates matures and is rolled over into higher rates.

While the government pays some of the interest to itself, as it holds about 20 percent of the debt in various trusts and funds, interest from that portion of the debt is supposed to pay for future expenses of programs such as Medicare and Social Security.

That money is already slated to go out the door. It just hasn’t gone out the door yet,” said E.J. Antoni, an economist and research fellow at conservative think tank The Heritage Foundation.

“It’s not as if the government has that cash on hand to spend.”

Even with that income counted in, the Medicare Hospital Insurance and Social Security funds are expected to run out of money in about 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Who Pays?

Proponents of large government deficit spending have argued that servicing the debt isn’t much of a worry since the Fed can print the cash necessary to cover the interest or even buy up the debt. The Treasury would then pay the interest on the debt to the Fed, which would then use the money to cover the cost of its operations and send the surplus back to the Treasury. The government would, in effect, pay the interest to itself.

Indeed, about 20 percent of the government debt is held by the Fed already.

However, the reality doesn’t necessarily follow this logic.

“The Federal Reserve doesn’t actually make money anymore," Mr. Antoni said. "They lose money because so much of the Treasuries that they have on the books right now [were] purchased in 2020 and even early 2021 when rates were near zero, so those assets are earning almost nothing,"

Anything the Fed does collect on its portfolio, it immediately pays out to banks and money market funds in interest on reserves and reverse repurchase agreements. The point of those operations is to stem inflation—“keeping liquid cash locked in its vaults so that it can’t multiply in the banking system,” he said.

These operations now cost the central bank some $700 million per day, forcing it into a “huge deficit,” Mr. Antoni said.

“It’s not sending Treasury a dime.”

For the same reason, the Fed seems to lack the appetite for more government debt. Over the past year and a half, it has been slowly reducing its debt holdings, siphoning cash out of the market to curb inflation.

“Any time the Fed buys something, they do it with money that’s being created for that purpose,” he said.

“The Fed actually doesn’t have an account with any balance. Their checking account literally has zero balance so when they sell an asset, the money that goes into that account is extinguished. When they buy an asset, the money that comes out of that account is just created.”

If the Fed were to buy more debt, it would increase the money supply, summoning the specter of inflation even as it’s trying to banish it.

“We would be right back on the inflation treadmill,” Mr. Antoni said.

Bad Credit?

If the government wants to borrow without worsening inflation, it needs to find somebody to buy the debt with existing dollars.

Until recently, that hasn’t been a problem. Despite offering measly interest, U.S. Treasurys served as a safe haven investment—a hedge against risk and an indispensable collateral in complex investment schemes in financial markets.

U.S. Treasurys were seen as the safest asset. And increasingly that’s not the case today,” Mr. Antoni said.

In August, the Fitch rating firm downgraded U.S. debt to AA+ from AAA.

On Nov. 9, the Treasury had the worst auction of 30-year Treasurys in more than a decade as investors demanded a premium to buy the bond. Demand was down by almost 5 percent from the month before.

On Nov. 10, Moody's, another rating firm, lowered the U.S. debt outlook to “negative” from “stable,” arguing that polarization in Congress is likely to thwart fiscal reforms.

“People are increasingly realizing today [that U.S. Treasurys] aren’t safe at all,” Mr. Antoni said.

He pointed out that “violent changes” in monetary policy can dramatically affect bond prices.

Nobody would pay the full price of a bond that pays 2 percent annual interest when the Treasury now offers plenty of bonds that pay 5 percent.

“If you bought a government bond, for example, in 2020, it’s lost about half of its value, so you just can’t sell it," Mr. Antoni said. "You’re essentially stuck with that low rate of return."

Accounting for inflation, the older bonds are now, in fact, losing their owners money, but at least they return something.

“That’s still typically better than the losses you would take if you sold it outright,” he said.

Then, there’s the default risk. Investors are aware that the government will likely one day be unable to pay its debts. So far, that hasn’t been much of an issue, partly because of the “greater fool strategy,” as he put it.

“'I’m betting that there’s a bigger fool out there who, after I want to sell, is still willing to buy, even though that Doomsday, if you will, is right around the corner,'” he said, summing up the strategy.

“That may sound silly, but there are plenty of investors and investments that operate on that principle.”

The cooling of demand for the 30-year bonds may be a sign that investors are gradually losing confidence that such a fool will be available over the long haul. The Treasury seems to be responding by offering more of the shorter maturity bonds, according to Mr. Antoni.

Yet inflation poses a similar risk to a default, he said, noting that the dollar has lost about 17 percent of its value over the past few years.

“It’s the same as if the Treasury were to turn around and only pay 83 percent of the bondholders and tell the other 17 percent to go pound sand,” he said.

All these factors seem to be souring investor confidence in the bonds. And once spoiled, investor trust is hard to restore, according to Mr. Hanke.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biden; bidenomics; bidensfault; debt; deficit; feds; government; inflation; taxes
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1 posted on 11/23/2023 8:37:00 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

For years, to me, the time when we would reach a trillion dollars in interest on the debt has represented a point where our financial condition would reach an all time low. Isn’t interest now the biggest single item in the federal budget?

And our government will continue to add to it until some sort of financial collapse stops it all.


2 posted on 11/23/2023 8:45:56 PM PST by Will88 ((The only people opposing voter ID are those benefiting from voter fraud.))
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To: Will88
Isn’t interest now the biggest single item in the federal budget?

No, it's fourth, though it's about to pass defense:

1. Health (Medicare, Medicaid, ObamaCare)
2. Social Security
3. Defense
4. Interest on Debt

3 posted on 11/23/2023 8:53:07 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Will88
And our government will continue to add to it until some sort of financial collapse stops it all.

They'll just keep printing money, until our savings are worth nothing.

4 posted on 11/23/2023 8:53:16 PM PST by neverevergiveup
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To: SeekAndFind

Ok..... so what to invest in? Buy gold?


5 posted on 11/23/2023 8:54:19 PM PST by hecticskeptic
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To: hecticskeptic

Cryptocurrency.


6 posted on 11/23/2023 8:56:11 PM PST by Jonty30 (It turns out that I did not buy my cell phone for all the calls I might be missing at home.)
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To: hecticskeptic

Gold is only worth anything because people think so. You can’t make anything out of it.


7 posted on 11/23/2023 8:59:08 PM PST by yldstrk
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s pretty bad. But we’ll kick the can down the road. We’ll get away with it for now. We’ll buy 5-10 years. I think we’ll see serious inflation by then. Maybe 20%.


8 posted on 11/23/2023 9:00:43 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: hecticskeptic
Ok..... so what to invest in? Buy gold?

The Indians (dot, not feather) say that land and gold are the two best investments. They're not making any more of it.

9 posted on 11/23/2023 9:04:05 PM PST by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: SeekAndFind
All according


10 posted on 11/23/2023 9:09:10 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: SeekAndFind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD_1Z8iUDho

Don’t Cry For Me Argentina


11 posted on 11/23/2023 9:12:27 PM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: Jonty30
Cryptocurrency.

I used to think that, but what happens when the govt first "regulates," and then competes with crypto (or does both at the same time)? Gotta watch out for things like FTX too.

12 posted on 11/23/2023 9:17:12 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Abolish the Federal Reserve. A free nation does not borrow its currency at interest from a private bank; those are debt instruments. A free nation issues its own currency, which is held as an asset free of interest. The Fed was created in 1913 by a simple act of Congress, and can be abolished at any time by a majority vote. Those gangsters have enjoyed an obscenely profitable 110-year ride. It’s time to end it.


13 posted on 11/23/2023 9:49:04 PM PST by Always A Marine ("When you strike at a king, you must kill him" - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Nobody will touch #1 or 2, so inflation is the key to USA’s survival. $25 bread loaf is better to seniors that vote than a 5% COLA reduction.


14 posted on 11/23/2023 10:04:56 PM PST by Continuty122
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To: Always A Marine

You are exactly right!!! The Fed should have been abolished decades ago .


15 posted on 11/23/2023 10:09:56 PM PST by carikadon (Don't mess with Texas)
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To: SeekAndFind

If Trump wins in 2024, then inflation, debt, debt servicing will becomme instant problems and all the fault of Trump and the R House.


16 posted on 11/23/2023 10:11:21 PM PST by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TV)
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To: carikadon

Without the fed and inflationary spending the USA dollar would collapse over supporting the boomers with Social security Ponzi sheme. If you collect SS entitlements thank the stars that you got it before it collapses off and it’s passed off to Gen X and Z.


17 posted on 11/23/2023 10:12:34 PM PST by Continuty122
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To: Continuty122

Where are the plane tickets, buses, cell phones and debit cards given to illegal aliens? Are those off-budget-items?


18 posted on 11/23/2023 10:22:49 PM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Per 14th amendment debt is the first paid.
Democrats are running the USA into the ground.
Y’all get what you vote for. For Democrats
your lives mean very little.
just votes count and more importantly
Democrat vote counters!


19 posted on 11/23/2023 10:33:06 PM PST by rellic
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To: Continuty122

But one of many reasons that I started SS early


20 posted on 11/23/2023 10:37:58 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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