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To: Chad C. Mulligan

Analysis by the Atlantic Council. No credibility. They lost the war in Ukraine.


2 posted on 11/17/2023 10:58:26 AM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

You mean the war that’s still ongoing?

We haven’t seen Ukraine surrender yet


5 posted on 11/17/2023 11:00:25 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: AndyJackson

The Atlantic Council is the DC mother-ship for US neocons and EU globalists.

I wonder what Klaus Schwab had to say?


6 posted on 11/17/2023 11:03:06 AM PST by PGR88
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To: AndyJackson

Russia lost the war by what measure?


8 posted on 11/17/2023 11:04:38 AM PST by Red6
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To: AndyJackson

The only thing winning the war in Ukraine is the worms that eat the dead.

There isn’t even a clear ‘winning’ or ‘weaker’ portion. Both sides have both simultaneously advanced in some regions, and lost territory in others. Overall, it looks more like 1914 than any war since WWI.

While I have not really been an advocate for arming Ukraine in the past, the reality is that the only way for this war to be end are: 1) Clear victory by one of the combatants. 2) New leadership in the US that can force people to negotiate.

Since the Democrats will be running the Senate and the WH, negotiated settlements will not happen. Biden doesn’t have what it takes to stare down Putin and tell him ‘how it’s going to be’. That forces the option of one nation winning over the other. I don’t see Ukraine surrendering and Russia missed its window for a quick and decisive victory. That leaves only with Ukraine removing all Russians from Ukrainian soil.

Therefore, the best way to end the war quickly, is for Ukraine to obtain overwhelming AirPower over its territory. That’s why I anticipate large numbers of attack aircraft to enter the Ukrainian Air Force by late June of next year. That’s IF the United States wants the war to end, or specially the Boden administration wants it to end. I believe that they may not want the war to end.


12 posted on 11/17/2023 11:14:22 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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To: AndyJackson

I thought Putin was dead and his body was being kept frozen in some cave or something?

I need a scorecard to keep up with zeeper “news.”


15 posted on 11/17/2023 11:20:29 AM PST by Allegra (Stop the Zeepers from Censoring FReepers)
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To: AndyJackson

Ukraine is still Ukraine after two years of invasion by the biggest country in the world. If that isn’t winning nothing is. That invading Russian Nazis have managed to genocidally erase bits of the Ukrainian nation matters little in the end. Potemkin Russia has lost its Super Power status. Forever.


28 posted on 11/17/2023 11:57:00 AM PST by lodi90
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To: AndyJackson; Chad C. Mulligan; canuck_conservative

“Hey, Yuri, did you hear we’re at war with NATO!”

“Astounding, Ivan, how are we doing?”

“We’ve lost 80,000 men, the storied 1st Guards Tank Army has been wiped out, more than 1,000 of our latest tanks are burned out hulks, we have to get old T62s out of storage to stay in the war, we’ve lost more generals in war than any nation ever, our flag ship is at the bottom of the Black Sea, we’re losing airbases hundreds of kilometers behind lines, land it took us 3 months to take was taken back from us in 3 days, our fleet has retreated from Sevastopol, and we can’t come within 300 kilometers of Ukraine’s coast without getting one of our few remaining warships blown up!”

“That’s terrible, Ivan! How is NATO doing?”

“Oh, they haven’t even started to fight.”


29 posted on 11/17/2023 11:57:34 AM PST by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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