Posted on 11/12/2023 7:45:50 AM PST by know.your.why
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Alabama Submit In 1996, the U.S. Congress passed a law prohibiting noncitizens from voting in federal elections, including elections for the U.S. House, U.S. Senate, and presidential elections. This does not apply to elections at the state and local levels.[1]
No state constitutions explicitly allowed noncitizens to vote in state or local elections. As of June 2023, seven states specified that noncitizens may not vote in state and local elections: Alabama, Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, and Ohio.[2]
The District of Columbia and municipalities in three states allowed noncitizens to vote in local elections as of June 2023: California, Maryland, and Vermont.
According to the Pew Research Center, there were over 25 million noncitizens living in the U.S. as of 2020. That included approximately 12 million permanent residents and 2 million temporary residents who were in the country with legal permission, as well as approximately 11 million immigrants who resided in the country without legal permission.[3]
Whether noncitizens should be allowed to vote is a subject of debate. Click here for support and opposition arguments and here for more on the debate over the prevalence of non-citizen voting.
Any illegal found voting in this country should be fined every penny they’ve got and immediately catapulted back over the Rio Grande to the craphole they came from. We don’t need to turn America back into a slave state again. MAASSA. Making America A Slave State Again.
Only 11 million in the US illegally?! That number has been used for 20-30 years. Bet the actual number, and use our own eyes when visiting schools, Walmart, Home Depot, etc., that number is more like 50-60 million.
And skip the Mexicans, some reports years ago said 25% of Mexican citizens were now in the US, recently it was reported that 500 thousand Cubans had entered the US since Biden moved into the White House, and in 1960 the Census Bureau reported about 120,000 Indians, yet now everywhere you go, every IT workplace is filled with them. A recent study claims on 4 or so million but that is obvious another understated number. Hide, hide, hide. The government is conspiring to hide in plain sight was we can see with our own eyes. Indian—look at recruiters, now 99% Indian in IT, hiring Indians. IT workplaces are majority Indian in many companies. All right in front of us. I bet everyone knows an American IT professional who has lost his or her job to an Indian. It is everywhere.
No, it really isn't.
“The District of Columbia and municipalities in three states allowed noncitizens to vote in local elections as of June 2023: California, Maryland, and Vermont.”
Good. Let’s bus in Republican voters from surrounding states on their election days. Better yet, have them vote by mail in ballots. Hey, it’s perfectly legal there.
So far JB has acquired 10,000,000 potential new voters, by the election maybe up to 15,000,000.
Laws mean nothing to Democrats, craving only Power and the control that Power brings.
... Period....
Yes! I clearly remember Bush talking about the 11 million
It can’t be self-governance when everyone who is not you determines the outcome of your votes.
Citizen vs. Non-citizen.
People that share your national interests vs. people that share other national interests.
Common sense: Why would you want someone that shares other national interests voting in your elections?
Politics: You want to win and if your the candidate that stands to gain from having these people vote, you’ll try to have them get voting rights.
Today, one can reasonably argue that our Democracy is broken. It has been so manipulated and gamed from Gerrymandering, letting non-citizens vote, to having military votes excluded, adjusting the voting times, use of media to influence voter turn out, or the spin which media gives while reporting about the various candidates, voter harvesting with mail in ballots, use of faux social moments to sway public opinion and get people energized, with blatant censorship, or how the media asks questions, who gets the center of stage in a debate, who gets more air time...
***The elections at this point are largely about which candidate has the backing of the big corporations, bureaucracy and oligarchs.***
That is the candidate who will get supported by the political party and big tech, that is the candidate who will be favored by the bureaucracy and the Main Stream Media and will usually win.
Biden is the textbook example.
How can a candidate such as this win? Seriously: little charisma, low energy, often making gaffes or going off on incoherent ramblings, very old, a Washington insider that is seen as out of touch, looking like Walter (https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lancasteronline.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/3/c5/3c5af388-eaaa-11e7-8582-9fb991a4a42d/5a42ffd2c8784.image.jpg?resize=752%2C500) and with positions left of the majority of Americans.
He has big tech, pharma, many of the big retailers (Amazon and others) with China, all those that want more green subsidies (corporate welfare), and the Unions behind him. He enjoys broad support by the government bureaucracy which tends to favor the candidate who wants to expand government and spending as well as having long lasting relationships with key figures. He also made sure that literally within the first month of office almost everyone got everything what they wanted!
Today it is easier to unionize and near all government construction goes to unionized firms:
The cost control measures for pharma put in place by Trump were removed:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/politics/biden-trump-drug-prices/index.html (CNN is putting a nice spin on this- what really happened is that Trump imposed a rule that US that did not allow US drug manufacturers to charge more for pharmaceuticals manufactured in the US than what they charge abroad, which in some cases is 300% or more).
The Keystone pipeline was canceled, EVs get more government money:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57422456
https://www.energy.gov/articles/biden-harris-administration-announces-25-billion-cut-pollution-and-deliver-economic
The EPA, DOJ, IRS, everyone in government is happy:
https://www.epa.gov/planandbudget/budget
https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/266/19.-IRS-FY-2023-BIB.pdf
China is happy since they got their girl back and the critical parts of the trade restrictions and tariffs imposed by Trump were dropped:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58690974
Big tech has NOTHING to worry about now, i.e. no threat of being broken up because of how they are monopolies and no risk of being regulated. All that ended when Biden took office, this issue will just fade away.
https://www.businessinsider.com/is-facebook-a-monopoly-2018-4?op=1
Do we have elections, Yes.
But no differently than in Russia, it’s not really the “will of the people” since what you have is folks telling the people what to think and how to vote.
Exactly
The U.S. Constitution does not address the issue of who can or cannot vote in presidential elections or other elections. The Constitution leaves this issue to the states. The Constitution does discuss the election of federal officials, but who can vote is determined by each individual state.
Section 1 of the 14th Amendment states that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” This implies that U.S. citizens have rights, among them, the right to vote.
there is no 'debate.'
in order to vote in a federal election you must be a citizen. otherwise, we could have people from other countries installing their own people into the office.
to suggest otherwise is borderline sedition
"Whether noncitizens should be allowed to vote is a subject of debate [??? emphasis added]."
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
To begin with, in my opinion it's ultimately up to the 10th Amendment power of the qualified citizen majority voters of a given state as to whether or not they are willing to allow non-citizens to weaken their voting power by allowing non-citizens to vote.
"10th Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people [emphases added]."
"Article IV, Section 4 (4.4): The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government [emphasis added], and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."
Unfortunately, and with all due respect to freeper parents, since parents are not making sure that their children are being taught about the federal government's constitutionally limited powers as the drafters of the Constitution had intended for those powers to be understood, the ongoing debate about whether to let non-citizens vote is a great example of history repeating itself.
More specifically, the congressional record shows that post-Civil War federal lawmakers had pointed out that states that allow non-citizens to vote wrongly nullify the Constitution's "Uniform Rule of Naturalization Clause."
"Article I, Section 8, Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization [emphasis added], and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;"
" If the States can admit to the elective franchise those who are not citizens, thereby neutralizing the votes of citizens, not only the Federal power of naturalization becomes a nullity, but" * * * * "a minority of citizens by the aid of aliens may control the government of the States, and through the States the government of the Union [emphases added]." —Appendix to the Congressional Globe, 1868. (See near middle of 1st column.)
" Whatever difference there may be as to what other rights appertain to a citizen, all must agree that he has the right to petition and also to claim the Protection of the Government. These belong to him as a member the body politic, and the possession of them is what separates citizens of the lowest condition from aliens and slaves. To suppose that a State can make an alien a citizen or confer on him the right of voting would involve the absurdity of giving him the direct and immediate control of the action of the General Government, from which he can claim no protection and to which he has no right to present a petition [emphasis added]." —Appendix to the Congressional Globe, 1868. (See bottom half of 1st column.)
Note that the Uniform Rule of Naturalization Clause was made because its drafters were concerned that some states had lower requirements for granting US citizenship.
But more importantly concerning non-citizens voting, note that post-Civil War concern for election integrity led lawmakers to draft Section 2 of the post-Civil War 14th Amendment, that section a penalty for states where vote-counting fraud has occurred.
As you give Section 2 a look, note the zero tolerance "hair triggers" for enforcing that section. That section would probably have worked in favor of Trump's red tsunami of patriot supporters in 2020 and 2022 elections if it weren't for the corrupt, constitutionally undefined political parties that have pirated control of state and federal governments imo.
"is denied to any"
"or in any way abridged,"
"14th Amendment, Section 2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced [emphases added] in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State." [Apportionment of Representatives]
"14th Amendment, Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
Again, states that allow illegal aliens to vote wrongly weaken the constitutionally enumerated voting power of ordinary qualified citizens imo.
What is really disturbing about the apportionment aspect of Section 2 is the following imo.
Consider that the post-Civil War congressional Republicans who drafted that section made it to discourage Southern Democrats (my words) from rigging the ballot boxes that Democrats are now alleged to have done for 2020, 2022 and possibly earlier elections!
"Because slavery (except as punishment for crime) had been abolished by the Thirteenth Amendment, the freed slaves would henceforth be given full weight for purposes of apportionment. This situation was a concern to the Republican leadership of Congress, who worried that it would increase the political power of the former slave states, even as such states continued to deny freed slaves the right to vote." —Apportionment of Representatives
In fact, if this were a better world, then the feds and media would be publicly reminding the states for every election to be careful not to do anything that would justify the feds darkening their doorway to audit an election to determine if Section 2 has been compromised imo.
The problem now is that political party elites are obstructing (imo) the due process of Section 2 concerning allegations of vote-counting fraud in the 2020 and 2022 elections in several states imo. This is evidenced by the federal lawmakers who blatantly ignored Section 2 with respect to allegations of vote-counting fraud on J6 imo.
The immediate remedy to deal with corrupt political parties is to primary ALL incumbent lawmakers and executives in state and federal governments in 2024, except for MTG, Gaetz & Company (and others?).
Incumbents need to be replaced with patriots who not only respect the federal government's constitutionally limited powers, but will also support hopeful Trump 47 to finish draining the swamp.
Gosh, it's almost as if Russia shouldn't have started yet another of its centuries of wars.
If not, the rest of the world can learn to live without Russia.
RE: same phony number of illegals invading....
Unchanged in a glorious high tech internet era where a Trump vote total can go down every two seconds in a swing state on election night.
I remember when historic building preservation efforts saved city building walls showing old advertisements painted with a price such as 10 Quaker Oats or 25 cent premium cigar or a daily newspaper for 1 cent. One was saved for a long time that showed a fox howling at the moon for a fur coat ad. That one didn’t last as long.
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